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explore the bazaars our or e-ticket ride

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into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology as well

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as other dimensions it's time to take

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back the night now your electrifying

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hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy

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this is exploring the bizarre odd caste

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somewhere deep within area 51 and I hope

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Tina doesn't mind that I borrowed that

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I'm always hearing that on that Tina's

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show restricted airspace oh I always I

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always loved that so deep within area 51

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that sounds kind of sordid doesn't it

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well I'm to sports and unfortunately Tim

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Beckley who's usually with us here

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tonight couldn't be here so I thought

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that this would be a great opportunity

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to bring in one of our previous guests

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gifts from like last year and so let me

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introduce everyone to Susan Demeter's

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st. Clair Susan thank you very much for

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being with us again tonight oh it's my

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pleasure we had such a great discussion

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last time and and I'm so happy to be

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here tonight and I just want to send out

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a lot of good energy and healing vibes

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and love out to Timothy and hope he's

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feeling better soon and can come back

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and then I can come back maybe and and

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join you both at a later date I know

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it's it's always a lot of fun with Tim

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Beckley on the show I just I can't hold

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a candle to this stuff that that Tim can

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come up with for his show but we'll

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we'll carry on and we'll just have a

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fantastic show tonight absolutely

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absolutely I'm looking forward to it all

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right well now okay before we bring in

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our guest John Souza I wanted to ask

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Susan and this was something I wanted to

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ask you last year what

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you're on a show and I didn't get a

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chance to ask this but this concerns the

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chapter in the book UFOs were framing

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the debate and the title of your chapter

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is making mountains out of mashed

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potatoes and I just always I love the

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name of that chapter and it makes me

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think and I'm just wondering if your

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inspiration for that chapter was from

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Close Encounters of the Third Kind oh

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yes absolutely it was one of my favorite

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films and I do with in that chapter

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explore a little bit the film itself and

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how it really it highlighted some of the

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more high strangeness and sort of

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parapsychological aspects of the UFO

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phenomena from telepathy and

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synchronicity and how they were sort of

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like called out to this one location

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where they eventually had the did the

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great big sighting with the mother ship

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and so I wanted to use something that

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was a little tongue-in-cheek and also

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that called back to the film so yeah

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absolutely one of the best films ever is

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still one of my favorites I try to

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rewatch it at least once a year I'll

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revisit the film it's it's just it's in

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my top ten it really is and you know and

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did you bring up a good point with that

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in the the idea that throughout the film

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there are a lot of high strangeness

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even though Spielberg it was very much

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with this film in the you know

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extraterrestrial nuts-and-bolts idea and

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you know several people you know like

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your years later and you know they of

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course didn't didn't quite get it but

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things about the UFO and other kinds of

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paranormal phenomena is that you have

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down-to-earth even though we know it's

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we think that we have a handle on some

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of this stuff and then it turns around

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incidents that we just can't make heads

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or tails about oh for sure well the

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whole phenomena itself is is quite

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absurd and and I actually really enjoy

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the high strange cases I I mean you

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might want to say the devil is in the

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details but if you just focus only on

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the the nuts and bolts you might miss

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like all this rich sort of information

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that's coming in from the witnesses who

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are telling us all these very strange

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telepathy or in the case of Close

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mother and it was her child who first

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the the pilots of the UFOs and there was

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a lot of poltergeist like stuff like

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strange lights and and and these

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electronic disturbances and things that

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because Spielberg wisely went to actual

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experts such as dr. Hynek who at the

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time was like the leading expert along

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with Jacques Vallee and a few others and

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he went to them and he discussed what

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exactly was going on so he had that

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input to sort of go in with these cases

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and build a richer film around it which

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I found it to be because it wasn't just

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it's not just the nuts and bolts sort of

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sci-fi we're getting the more human

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aspects to it and people do have these

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experiences sometimes they feel that

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there's a telepathy or quite often when

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randomly looking at the sky and

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something flew by something something

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triggered them or something made them

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look at that specific time and then they

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have these these amazing experiences so

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psychic sort of component along with

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that sort of nuts and bolts kind of

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thing that that really it intrigues

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side of things well that's a very good

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point because I mean I've talked to a

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number of people over the years that

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have said the exact same thing to me I

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mean even to the point where they'll say

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that they've been in bed asleep and all

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of a sudden they'll wake up and they'll

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have this compulsion to go outside and

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and that's when they'll have their

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experience I mean something that they

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have never ever done you know in their

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life go outside in their pajamas and

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stand on the driveway and look up at the

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sky and then and then have this

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experience so it's and and that really

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that really confounds a lot of these

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people who are just really caught up in

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the whole nuts and bolts

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extra-terrestrial hypothesis and it

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makes me think Susan I was reading a

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blog not too long ago and I'm

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fortunately for them I can't remember

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the name of it but they were highly

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critical of the book UFOs reframing the

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debate and the point that they made that

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really kind of got to me was that they

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hadn't read the book they were going to

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read the book they didn't like the the

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names of the chapters so they just

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assumed the worst and and and you know

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is like oh well this book offers us

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nothing and it's it's like wait you

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haven't even read the book yet and yeah

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and you and you say you're not going to

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yet you're going in and criticize in it

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and just always just frost my ass well

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of course because you know you can't

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well don't judge a book by it's cover

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reframing the debate sort of it was from

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our editor Robbie Graham who sort of

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wanted to showcase various different

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points of view now yes the the there's a

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common thread about how the eth really

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hasn't brought us any closer and so

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eth but there are some that are very

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skeptical more nuts and bolts all the

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way to the magical and the amount

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gentle and sear you're getting sort of a

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very different sort of book in that it's

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it's exploring many different ideas so

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we would assume that some people yes

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might not like some of the chapters and

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the chapters more but you know it's it's

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a shame if someone's just gonna pan the

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book and not give it a chance at all

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just based on you know it's kind of

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silly to me but it reminds me of the the

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whole debate back in the 50s with

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Immanuel Velikovsky when he wrote his

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book was a world worlds in collision I

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think is the one and you know so many

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scientists panned the book and

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criticized it and the majority of them

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clay you know admitted that oh they

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hadn't read it and they weren't going to

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read it but you know just from the I

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about probably word-of-mouth from other

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people you know they know they knew he

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was wrong it's like that's just you know

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it just paints these people in such a

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bad light I mean okay read the book and

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then you can criticize it and come up

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with legitimate points but to me you

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know it's just not you don't have a leg

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to stand on unless you actually read the

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book and know what you're talking about

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too bad that there are some people that

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especially scientists because you know

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the I you think back to the the you know

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building on knowledge so maybe some

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things that you hold is true or not

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correct so you're gonna go where the

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data takes you and you're gonna explore

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different ideas and you're not going to

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be afraid to maybe entertain some

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different hypotheses you know and and

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that is what we need to with UFOs and

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and and that is why I'm very excited as

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well to talk to John tonight because he

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has a little bit different take on

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things and and it's it's always good to

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explore different ideas with people you

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let's bring John into the conversation I

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know he's sitting there in the sidelines

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just probably chomping at the bit

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get out and join the discussion so Allah

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be introduced John this is John thank

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you very much for being with us tonight

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oh thank you very much Tim thanks Susan

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thanks so much it's great to be here

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with you guys it's pretty awesome

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thanks okay now I really quick I I see

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that now that you from your bio you've

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investigated and collected experiences

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on paranormal topics or for overdue to

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decades and you've all you are also an

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FBI special agent for overall was at 25

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years yes that is correct yeah yeah go

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ahead no no I was going to say you know

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you worked counterterrorism and violent

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crime cases and you're also the author

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of the extra dimensionals

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shoe tales and concept of alien visitors

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the para investigators 52 true tales and

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concepts of supernaturally gift

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investigators and your most recent clear

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here's all right now you go on I'm sorry

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yeah thank you so much Tim yes that's

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very very kind introduction thank you

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very much it's great to be here with you

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and Susan and yes I have been an FBI

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agent for over 25 years and during that

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time I you know worked a lot of global

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war on terrorism Violent Crimes and so

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forth and I also collected what I like

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to call the real x-files cases that I

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share with people and information and

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things that I share with people in my

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books and including up to and including

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my book the extra dimensionals which

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fits very very well with what you were

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doing you guys were just talking about

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you know kind of in a in an opposite

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antithetical way since my my book the

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extra dimensionals basically is

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something that comes to the conclusion

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that alien visitors are definitely not

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physical that they are not they are not

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from our time and space they are not

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from next galaxies over they are

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visiting visiting earth constantly that

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they are and they are constantly coming

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in and out of the earth because the

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earth is primarily a Waystation and

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secondarily a planet and it is a gateway

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and so it's something that's pretty

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antithetical to the way that apology has

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really thought about alien visitors

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since Roswell since really since the

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Roswell crash and that's why it's it's

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pretty much that's why my presentation

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is called the unthinkable in in apology

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which is that these alien visitors are

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not at all what we have been believing

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that they have that they are for the

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last 50 60 years

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oh no yeah no I have you have you been

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interested in this kind of stuff you

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know from the beginning I mean since you

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were a kid because I you know I find

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that a lot of people like yourself and

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and Susan you know it tends to run in

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families as well oh sure and yes my

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first experiences as I recount as I

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recount at the beginning of my book the

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extra dimensionals is also I had my

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first experiences when I was I guess I

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was around 10 years old and I was in New

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York as a child I was taken out I was

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out in New York City where I live but I

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was taken out New York City to a nice

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area in Manhattan where where we were

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attending a party a big rental hall some

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kind of wedding reception and there were

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a lot of little kids there about you

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know around my age as well and so it's

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one point late at night I was about 1:00

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in the morning so we were all all the

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kids were sugared up and kind of acting

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crazy so we all kind of spilled out into

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the night and just went out into the

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streets of Manhattan

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late at night it was 1:00 in the morning

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so everything was it was banned and

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there was nobody out there and weren't

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even any very few cars parked out there

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and we ended up out in this area called

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the project's not a good neighborhood to

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be in but it was deserted like I said

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but it was a very starry beautiful night

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and kids were playing tag reverently

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Regal Evo playing a lot of games and at

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one point it got very spirited one of

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the other kids hit me in the stomach and

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I went down on the sidewalk and one of

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the kids

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yelled out he's hurt he's really hurt so

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they all ran back to the rental hall

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that we all came from about half a mile

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away and that's lady he's hurt run yeah

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I found out I found out what it was like

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at that point being kids but I was out

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there laying on my back in the sidewalk

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and I was looking up between the two

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tallest buildings I've ever seen to that

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time and I stood up and because I was I

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saw that in the sky it was very starry

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night beautiful starry night very clear

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but where I was looking straight up

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between these two tall buildings was

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like a black ink cloud it was it was

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just a sort of a roiling cloud but it

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was black like the kind of squid would

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give off in the water when you try to

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grab it and it was just and I kept

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looking at this black cloud that was

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just giving off little tendrils and then

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from the bottom comes spotlights out of

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this thing and then with the spotlights

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come this like what you would determine

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an old-fashioned disc UFO came out of

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the bottom of this black cloud and it

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came down right towards me and I was

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just looking up at it and never seen

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anything like that and I just kept

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looking up at it and just wondering and

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then the spotlight hit me this this

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blueish green spotlight that I've heard

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from so many witnesses in the years

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since it hit me and just if I felt like

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I was being scanned from top to bottom

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and I just stood there and two girls

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teenage girls appeared on my left and

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they were screaming and looking up at

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the same thing I was looking up at so I

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know I wasn't the only one and they were

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just hanging on trying to hug each other

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and look up at the same time and scream

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at the same time

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and one of them screamed at me little

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boy you better run home the world might

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be ending and then they disappeared I

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mean they were gone and then at that

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time it was like she woke me up from a

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stupor I just took it was like me and

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they uh and the UFO that I was feeling

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above that was right above my head it's

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like we both changed our mind at the

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same moment I took a step back out of

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the spotlight and the thing reverse

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course and went right back up into that

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black cloud and it went back up all the

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way into the black cloud and the black

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cloud disappeared and just a beautiful

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starry night was visible after that and

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I ran back to that rental hall and took

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off from there and just went back to the

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to the rental hall and tried to tell my

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parents what had happened and they told

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me I better hold on to that till private

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so we're in private and then at home I

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told them what what all happened and

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they were very my mother was very

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patient with listening and then she my

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mother told me the lecture about how

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paranoid rockets cannot be discussed in

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front of general people not a good idea

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and not a good thing to do and so that

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was my first observation experience but

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then I had a contact experience just

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about I'd say about a week later or a

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week or two later when I was at my home

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I was at my dad's home and as I said

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we've seen in many of the cases sent

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that I've seen in many of the cases

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since then it's almost like the UFOs

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collect information on people on people

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witnesses and decide whether they and

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then take that information somewhere and

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then the decision is made whether to

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contact them and that's what I believe

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happened in my case because a couple of

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weeks later I was sleeping at my at my

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family's home and I was in my bedroom

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and suddenly then I had the experience

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of the entire room it was again it was

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late at night as probably 3:00 in the

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morning

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and it was and I just was trying to stay

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awake for some reason

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and suddenly the room just changed the

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entire I don't know the air the

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temperature the feeling of the room just

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changed completely and I became stiff as

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a board and I couldn't move and then I

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felt what I assumed was the hands of the

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hands of children look like the forms

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and hands of little kids grabbing my

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feet and my head and lifting me up but

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like I was a half-filled helium balloon

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lift me up from the bed and what was

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really weird is wherever they left me in

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the air I stayed there if they if they

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just like went to adjust themselves for

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a moment they would just leave me a

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certain place in the air that would stay

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there like a helium balloon sort of that

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was almost filled and then they started

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taking me up towards the ceiling and I

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saw the ceiling approaching closer and

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they were climbing on nothing because

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there was nothing there but they were

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climbing on nothing and just lifting me

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up towards the ceiling I saw the ceiling

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coming closer and closer I couldn't

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really move at all but then they finally

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I saw the ceiling come right up to my

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face as they were passing through the

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ceiling somehow what I assumed were

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children were passing because I couldn't

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really see them I can always kind of see

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silhouettes of them and feel their their

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hands on my head and feet and then they

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were passing through but then my

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forehead bumped against the ceiling like

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just stopped right there and I then they

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lowered me again leaving me floating

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motionless on nothing and just they

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checked the spot where my forehead

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wouldn't go through as if there was

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something wrong with that spot on the

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ceiling and they just kept checking it

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and just kept on and then again they

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tried to put me through and it just got

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bumped on there and it wouldn't go

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through and every time they bumped me I

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was able to move my head a little more

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and a little more and my first thought

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was to move my head

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back twists it around to look down at my

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bed because one of the thoughts that

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occurred to me was that I might be I

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might be dead and my physical body might

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still be on my bed and so I looked back

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down on my TOA stood my neck enough to

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look down in the bed and I was really

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deceived as nothing there just rumpled

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sheets but then I was able to as they

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again kept on trying to bump me through

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the ceiling there I was able to move my

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neck and my my parents bedroom was right

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next to mine there was the door open

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door was open and I could see right

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through it and I was looking and then we

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had to go to break the break is coming

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up you heard music play hold hold that

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thought though because we want to

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continue this story when when we come

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back in a few minutes on exploring the

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bazaar with our guest John D'Souza and

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[Music]

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now back to exploring the bazaar with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

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Lee Antonis lists and welcome back to

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exploring the bazaar I'm Tim Schwartz

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with me tonight is John D'Souza and

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Susan Demeter st. Claire and I encourage

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everyone if you have a question for our

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guests to send them our way we want to

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hear from you call phone you know

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telepathic communication carrier bridge

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and I don't care we want to hear from

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you we want to hear from your question

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so now on with the show yeah I'm totally

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riveted I just I'm really want to keep

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going with John's experiences from

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childhood the idea of the levitation and

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and just being bumped on the ceiling

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like that that's to me it's very

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powerful a new one too yeah that one

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before yeah I've heard of the beings

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whatever they are going through sort of

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walls and ceilings and windows and that

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sort of thing and they seem to it like

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they're they're violating the

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physicality of this this world it sort

540
00:25:04,779 --> 00:25:01,309
of reminds me a little bit of my own

541
00:25:06,159 --> 00:25:04,789
experiences to where as a child I had

542
00:25:08,169 --> 00:25:06,169
these experiences with these little

543
00:25:11,710 --> 00:25:08,179
beings and and I just I thought they

544
00:25:14,110 --> 00:25:11,720
were ghosts I I was sort of pooling from

545
00:25:16,389 --> 00:25:14,120
I guess my my limited knowledge bank is

546
00:25:18,159 --> 00:25:16,399
a little little kid and I thought

547
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:18,169
because of what they were doing that

548
00:25:23,379 --> 00:25:20,210
they were ghosts and not necessarily

549
00:25:25,509 --> 00:25:23,389
aliens it wasn't until later on that I

550
00:25:28,539 --> 00:25:25,519
started considering that maybe they were

551
00:25:30,730 --> 00:25:28,549
alien ish but this is sort of what

552
00:25:33,549 --> 00:25:30,740
John's John's experiences remind me a

553
00:25:34,930 --> 00:25:33,559
little bit of my own and and not just I

554
00:25:36,669 --> 00:25:34,940
sort of got chills when he was

555
00:25:39,220 --> 00:25:36,679
describing about the bumping on the

556
00:25:41,889 --> 00:25:39,230
ceiling like that like as if we can do

557
00:25:46,340 --> 00:25:41,899
this but but you quite can't just not

558
00:25:49,970 --> 00:25:46,350
yet you know yeah yeah so what so

559
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:49,980
after they had bumped my as I was

560
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:53,250
telling my my abduction contact

561
00:25:58,430 --> 00:25:56,880
experience there we had these beings

562
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:58,440
that I assumed were children because I

563
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:01,200
couldn't see their faces and they just

564
00:26:06,049 --> 00:26:03,210
looked kind of smallish felt they felt

565
00:26:07,700 --> 00:26:06,059
kind of smallish to me and so they were

566
00:26:08,269 --> 00:26:07,710
they had been lifting me up towards the

567
00:26:11,779 --> 00:26:08,279
ceiling

568
00:26:14,779 --> 00:26:11,789
and I just started bumping against that

569
00:26:16,610 --> 00:26:14,789
ceiling they kept on lowering me like

570
00:26:18,409 --> 00:26:16,620
the worst engineers in the world just

571
00:26:20,180 --> 00:26:18,419
trying to repeat the same results and

572
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:20,190
expecting different repeating the same

573
00:26:23,570 --> 00:26:21,450
actions and expecting different results

574
00:26:25,610 --> 00:26:23,580
and they kept on doing it but as they

575
00:26:27,889 --> 00:26:25,620
were bumping my forehead against that

576
00:26:29,330 --> 00:26:27,899
that ceiling I was able to move my neck

577
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:29,340
more and more and then I was able to

578
00:26:36,740 --> 00:26:33,840
eventually twist over to cede my parents

579
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:36,750
bedroom and which was right akin right

580
00:26:43,730 --> 00:26:39,210
next to my bedroom and the door was was

581
00:26:45,409 --> 00:26:43,740
wide open and there there were two very

582
00:26:47,509 --> 00:26:45,419
similar beings to the ones that were

583
00:26:50,090 --> 00:26:47,519
carrying me there were two beings over

584
00:26:52,940 --> 00:26:50,100
my parents bed and they were holding

585
00:26:54,619 --> 00:26:52,950
their arms out over the bed as if they

586
00:26:59,570 --> 00:26:54,629
were creating some sort of stasis field

587
00:27:01,549 --> 00:26:59,580
and keeping my parents asleep because at

588
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:01,559
least it seemed that way to me because

589
00:27:04,610 --> 00:27:03,210
they both both of my parents were

590
00:27:06,529 --> 00:27:04,620
twisting and turning and it's almost

591
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:06,539
like they were trying to wake up but

592
00:27:11,450 --> 00:27:08,129
they couldn't my dad was in a pool of

593
00:27:14,029 --> 00:27:11,460
sweat and he was appeared but they could

594
00:27:18,139 --> 00:27:14,039
not wake up and they were holding their

595
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:18,149
hands over them and at that point I was

596
00:27:22,580 --> 00:27:20,610
able to look at the one closest to me

597
00:27:25,639 --> 00:27:22,590
with his hands out no one that was on

598
00:27:27,259 --> 00:27:25,649
the ground closest to me and I looked

599
00:27:29,060 --> 00:27:27,269
right ahead and I was able to look right

600
00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:29,070
into its face and now I could see these

601
00:27:33,980 --> 00:27:31,110
are not children I can see these were

602
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:33,990
something completely different the shape

603
00:27:40,220 --> 00:27:36,480
of the head and those black sort of

604
00:27:43,730 --> 00:27:40,230
almond shaped eyes and I locked vision

605
00:27:46,730 --> 00:27:43,740
with those those eyes on that on that

606
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:46,740
creature and then I heard the only words

607
00:27:52,820 --> 00:27:49,490
I was gonna hear from them which was

608
00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:52,830
he's awake and as soon as I heard those

609
00:27:57,730 --> 00:27:55,289
words it was like a cord was cut and I

610
00:27:59,500 --> 00:27:57,740
just fell I fell

611
00:28:02,490 --> 00:27:59,510
heavy into my bed like a sack of

612
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:02,500
potatoes and I just felt straight down

613
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:06,050
all that distance and I landed heavy in

614
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:09,679
my bed and they were gone the room

615
00:28:16,060 --> 00:28:12,410
changed back and everything they were

616
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:16,070
completely gone and I was sitting up and

617
00:28:21,070 --> 00:28:18,770
I was just planning on how to wake up my

618
00:28:22,390 --> 00:28:21,080
parents and start shouting about

619
00:28:24,490 --> 00:28:22,400
everything that was gonna happen and

620
00:28:26,830 --> 00:28:24,500
then suddenly like I had been hit with a

621
00:28:30,820 --> 00:28:26,840
tranquilizer dart I just fell asleep I

622
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:30,830
just went out and I was out for quite a

623
00:28:34,180 --> 00:28:32,809
while because in the morning I could

624
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:34,190
hear all the adults from the home

625
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:36,610
shuffling around talking about this

626
00:28:43,810 --> 00:28:40,010
talking about a shared common dream that

627
00:28:48,460 --> 00:28:43,820
they all had of being abducted of being

628
00:28:51,070 --> 00:28:48,470
abducted by small grey creatures that

629
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:51,080
were pulling them on a rope across an

630
00:28:56,410 --> 00:28:53,450
alien and they talked about this and

631
00:28:58,210 --> 00:28:56,420
they discussed it and they wanted to get

632
00:29:01,270 --> 00:28:58,220
their story straight because there was a

633
00:29:03,730 --> 00:29:01,280
really religious household and they had

634
00:29:06,190 --> 00:29:03,740
framed that what happened was a demonic

635
00:29:07,810 --> 00:29:06,200
attack upon the home and they didn't

636
00:29:10,270 --> 00:29:07,820
want to hear what I want what I had to

637
00:29:13,570 --> 00:29:10,280
say about these were aliens and they

638
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:13,580
were trying to abduct us and so that was

639
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:16,490
the situation the next morning and it

640
00:29:22,900 --> 00:29:19,760
was really a an amazing amazing

641
00:29:25,450 --> 00:29:22,910
experience and I was glad it ended when

642
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:25,460
it did that in the way that it did so

643
00:29:29,650 --> 00:29:26,960
that's interesting that you're the

644
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:29,660
adults perceived it as at something

645
00:29:34,660 --> 00:29:31,850
religious and demonic that you already

646
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:34,670
were thinking that this was alien yes

647
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:37,360
yes did you go on to have further

648
00:29:45,010 --> 00:29:42,080
experiences after that no no not not

649
00:29:47,410 --> 00:29:45,020
like that no I never I never did they

650
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:47,420
did not come back and I did not have a

651
00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:49,250
continuation of that experience whatever

652
00:29:54,460 --> 00:29:51,710
they found in me it was not agreeable to

653
00:29:54,820 --> 00:29:54,470
them I believe and that was and that was

654
00:29:57,970 --> 00:29:54,830
it

655
00:29:59,540 --> 00:29:57,980
and I have I have investigated other

656
00:30:02,600 --> 00:29:59,550
cases with

657
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:02,610
similar and there and there out there

658
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:05,970
you can find them of people who were

659
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:10,410
attempted to be abducted and it didn't

660
00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:13,290
quite work out and sometimes they were

661
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:15,510
injured there were times when they were

662
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:18,480
injured as well so it not even though

663
00:30:25,730 --> 00:30:21,450
they were not taken so that's those are

664
00:30:27,799 --> 00:30:25,740
those cases have happened yes and did

665
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:27,809
you pursue this with your parents like

666
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:30,330
did did they did they also have

667
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:33,600
experiences in their childhood or were

668
00:30:37,790 --> 00:30:35,370
you able to question more people in your

669
00:30:40,220 --> 00:30:37,800
family and/or were they too frightened

670
00:30:42,919 --> 00:30:40,230
no they were very frightened they were

671
00:30:47,030 --> 00:30:42,929
very they were from an extreme religious

672
00:30:48,380 --> 00:30:47,040
sect and they were not the type the type

673
00:30:50,450 --> 00:30:48,390
of people who would discuss this sort of

674
00:30:52,130 --> 00:30:50,460
thing except for my mother and my mother

675
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,140
just told me that these sorts of things

676
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:54,720
have to be respected and tried to

677
00:31:00,140 --> 00:30:56,490
protect yourself from these things as

678
00:31:03,860 --> 00:31:00,150
much as possible okay but again she was

679
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:03,870
putting that in a religious context well

680
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:05,730
not my mother my mother was different

681
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:07,890
my mother was a very powerful psychic

682
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:10,650
and so she had different points of view

683
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:13,650
on these sorts of things well that's

684
00:31:17,450 --> 00:31:15,690
that's what I was going to you know ask

685
00:31:19,100 --> 00:31:17,460
next because I know you that you had

686
00:31:21,410 --> 00:31:19,110
said after you had your first UFO

687
00:31:23,870 --> 00:31:21,420
encounter that she told you that this is

688
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:23,880
something that you don't discuss except

689
00:31:28,430 --> 00:31:26,130
for you know inside the family which is

690
00:31:30,980 --> 00:31:28,440
a very really that's a progressive

691
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:30,990
attitude you know because what she

692
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:32,730
really meant was just with her that's

693
00:31:39,500 --> 00:31:36,210
what's really mad because my mom had a

694
00:31:41,570 --> 00:31:39,510
very special abilities and she was

695
00:31:44,030 --> 00:31:41,580
always and I I write about her in my

696
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:44,040
books quite a bit because she was always

697
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:46,770
my died in us in affairs of the

698
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:50,370
paranormal always well and I'm I'm sure

699
00:31:55,930 --> 00:31:53,010
Susan will agree with this but I mean I

700
00:31:58,750 --> 00:31:55,940
I know in my research I found that

701
00:32:02,510 --> 00:31:58,760
probably a majority of people who have

702
00:32:08,780 --> 00:32:02,520
these types of experiences you know UFO

703
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:08,790
experiences also have psychic paranormal

704
00:32:13,250 --> 00:32:11,760
experiences their families they have

705
00:32:16,250 --> 00:32:13,260
family members

706
00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:16,260
have the same kind of psychic paranormal

707
00:32:25,580 --> 00:32:21,240
experiences you know if you a lot of

708
00:32:30,290 --> 00:32:25,590
times if you see UFOs or and see you

709
00:32:32,510 --> 00:32:30,300
know unknown types of creatures more

710
00:32:36,050 --> 00:32:32,520
than likely you're also going to see

711
00:32:38,660 --> 00:32:36,060
ghosts yes yes very perceptive of you

712
00:32:40,220 --> 00:32:38,670
Tim yes because that is absolutely true

713
00:32:43,130 --> 00:32:40,230
as a matter of fact that's why that's

714
00:32:45,260 --> 00:32:43,140
why I had to write my latest book the

715
00:32:48,530 --> 00:32:45,270
clear hearers which is basically a

716
00:32:52,010 --> 00:32:48,540
history of my family as I was growing up

717
00:32:54,650 --> 00:32:52,020
and all of our paranormal experiences

718
00:32:57,140 --> 00:32:54,660
and what those experiences really meant

719
00:32:58,970 --> 00:32:57,150
and what they signified so yeah there's

720
00:33:02,210 --> 00:32:58,980
a lot of I'm a big believer in

721
00:33:06,650 --> 00:33:02,220
morphogenic sites which basically is

722
00:33:08,030 --> 00:33:06,660
just a referral reference to what and I

723
00:33:11,420 --> 00:33:08,040
forget who the great there was a great

724
00:33:13,390 --> 00:33:11,430
thinker philosopher who who really

725
00:33:16,490 --> 00:33:13,400
investigated this crossover phenomenon

726
00:33:19,580 --> 00:33:16,500
where you have a geographic site and

727
00:33:21,860 --> 00:33:19,590
we'll send out investigators to a place

728
00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:21,870
for instance in New Jersey this happened

729
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:24,510
where there was a site where we sent out

730
00:33:29,690 --> 00:33:26,450
investigators where there was enormous

731
00:33:35,050 --> 00:33:29,700
UFO sighting activity in one geographic

732
00:33:38,420 --> 00:33:35,060
area and you'll send you'll send a

733
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:38,430
investigators to that area but then they

734
00:33:42,850 --> 00:33:40,530
will they'll the people in that area

735
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:42,860
will give interviews on the on the

736
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,050
sightings on sometimes contacts and

737
00:33:50,450 --> 00:33:48,720
observation experiences but then some of

738
00:33:52,850 --> 00:33:50,460
them in the same area will say are you

739
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:52,860
here about the Bigfoot sighting or the

740
00:33:56,570 --> 00:33:54,450
criminal creature the crypto creature

741
00:33:59,330 --> 00:33:56,580
sightings and people's and Bessie you

742
00:34:02,030 --> 00:33:59,340
say no and that at all or or they'll say

743
00:34:05,450 --> 00:34:02,040
are you did you did you know about the

744
00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:05,460
are our grandfather visited us last

745
00:34:10,190 --> 00:34:07,710
night as soon as the UFO sighting

746
00:34:12,860 --> 00:34:10,200
happened and our grandfather said

747
00:34:15,710 --> 00:34:12,870
something to us about family and we

748
00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:15,720
asked his and we asked the spirit we

749
00:34:19,330 --> 00:34:17,310
said are you being here is this have

750
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:19,340
something to do with the UFO

751
00:34:24,630 --> 00:34:21,050
the spirit wouldn't know what they were

752
00:34:27,010 --> 00:34:24,640
talking about yeah it's very the same

753
00:34:29,530 --> 00:34:27,020
documented case there's many documented

754
00:34:33,220 --> 00:34:29,540
cases like that which shows that there's

755
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:33,230
there appears to be crossover in these

756
00:34:38,170 --> 00:34:36,770
morphogenic sites that occur almost like

757
00:34:40,270 --> 00:34:38,180
we're dealing with gateways where

758
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:40,280
different phenomena use the same

759
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:42,890
gateways and yet have nothing in common

760
00:34:50,110 --> 00:34:45,440
with each other except for the fact that

761
00:34:52,090 --> 00:34:50,120
they are paranormal in some way they may

762
00:34:54,700 --> 00:34:52,100
they that might be that the common

763
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:54,710
denominator it's also also with people I

764
00:34:59,050 --> 00:34:56,330
find that sometimes when I'll

765
00:35:00,730 --> 00:34:59,060
investigate a UFO case when I'm actually

766
00:35:02,530 --> 00:35:00,740
talking to someone and then they feel

767
00:35:05,140 --> 00:35:02,540
more comfortable but if it's more in

768
00:35:06,910 --> 00:35:05,150
person then they'll go on to tell me

769
00:35:09,070 --> 00:35:06,920
things like you know I had this great

770
00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:09,080
this amazing amazing exciting when I was

771
00:35:13,570 --> 00:35:10,910
an adult but you know when I was a kid I

772
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:13,580
grew up in a haunted house or something

773
00:35:17,350 --> 00:35:15,290
like along those lines or they'll have

774
00:35:19,540 --> 00:35:17,360
these UFO experiences and then later go

775
00:35:21,550 --> 00:35:19,550
on to have ghost experiences or think so

776
00:35:24,940 --> 00:35:21,560
I think that there is a connection to

777
00:35:27,940 --> 00:35:24,950
location but also within families it

778
00:35:30,970 --> 00:35:27,950
does tend to run I think in families

779
00:35:33,610 --> 00:35:30,980
where people do have all sorts of

780
00:35:36,340 --> 00:35:33,620
different experiences over periods of

781
00:35:38,220 --> 00:35:36,350
time especially if the family members

782
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:38,230
are willing to talk amongst each other

783
00:35:42,340 --> 00:35:40,730
you know and everything from like

784
00:35:44,530 --> 00:35:42,350
near-death experience to ghost

785
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:44,540
experience to UFO experience I think

786
00:35:50,170 --> 00:35:46,490
that there is some fine line thread that

787
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:50,180
connects them all that's my guess no

788
00:35:54,460 --> 00:35:51,410
that is that's absolutely right that

789
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:54,470
does tend to happen with families and

790
00:36:00,250 --> 00:35:57,920
generations of people but I think it's

791
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:00,260
like if the phenomena sticks to begin

792
00:36:05,170 --> 00:36:02,570
with and that's a weird way of putting

793
00:36:07,420 --> 00:36:05,180
it but yeah if it if it sticks to the

794
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:07,430
person to begin with then it will

795
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:10,610
progress with the with the following

796
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:13,370
generations of that family but my

797
00:36:19,660 --> 00:36:16,610
experience has been more that psychic

798
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:19,670
that paranormal phenomenon occurs and

799
00:36:27,579 --> 00:36:24,410
sticks with a building or a home and

800
00:36:31,450 --> 00:36:27,589
we'll just we'll just persist

801
00:36:33,849 --> 00:36:31,460
in that particular building or home for

802
00:36:35,859 --> 00:36:33,859
no matter who lives there or how long it

803
00:36:38,979 --> 00:36:35,869
goes on or hold moves in or out of that

804
00:36:41,140 --> 00:36:38,989
place and that's that's been more of my

805
00:36:45,069 --> 00:36:41,150
experience because I did I did actually

806
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:45,079
grow up in a building haunted building

807
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:47,690
when I was a kid and it was a building

808
00:36:54,969 --> 00:36:51,440
that purred it produced a lot of weird

809
00:36:57,279 --> 00:36:54,979
things it produced two different when I

810
00:36:59,859 --> 00:36:57,289
was growing up the particular building

811
00:37:02,620 --> 00:36:59,869
produced two different serial killers

812
00:37:05,019 --> 00:37:02,630
that never had contact with each other

813
00:37:08,349 --> 00:37:05,029
and never knew each other and yet

814
00:37:10,569 --> 00:37:08,359
consecutively they each did their

815
00:37:14,319 --> 00:37:10,579
operations out of that particular

816
00:37:17,890 --> 00:37:14,329
building yes it was crazy and a lot of

817
00:37:20,529 --> 00:37:17,900
other weird psychic phenomena happened

818
00:37:24,779 --> 00:37:20,539
out of that building as well and it was

819
00:37:27,009 --> 00:37:24,789
a great relief to me when about ten

820
00:37:29,620 --> 00:37:27,019
about ten years ago when the building

821
00:37:30,099 --> 00:37:29,630
was finally destroyed I was very happy

822
00:37:32,650 --> 00:37:30,109
about that

823
00:37:36,279 --> 00:37:32,660
but I came to find out it was it's

824
00:37:41,620 --> 00:37:36,289
actually rebuilt recently as a very

825
00:37:44,259 --> 00:37:41,630
expensive condominium area so I'm hoping

826
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:44,269
that I'm hoping that everyone everything

827
00:37:47,650 --> 00:37:45,920
was destroyed with the last

828
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:47,660
bricks-and-mortar of the previous

829
00:37:53,410 --> 00:37:50,960
structure sure that sounds absolutely

830
00:37:56,559 --> 00:37:53,420
very eerie with the serial killers and

831
00:38:00,400 --> 00:37:56,569
we had a similar situation here in in

832
00:38:02,709 --> 00:38:00,410
Ontario where there is an area that I

833
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:02,719
lived in growing up and it also produced

834
00:38:08,469 --> 00:38:06,410
two serial killers and they're very also

835
00:38:11,529 --> 00:38:08,479
very weird things in a hotel that used

836
00:38:13,420 --> 00:38:11,539
to exist in this neighborhood and that

837
00:38:18,249 --> 00:38:13,430
was quite haunted at the time and also

838
00:38:20,380 --> 00:38:18,259
UFO sightings and such and so it sounds

839
00:38:23,170 --> 00:38:20,390
like we have a lot of similar sort of

840
00:38:28,420 --> 00:38:23,180
experience between you and I in

841
00:38:30,749 --> 00:38:28,430
different areas as well so yeah were the

842
00:38:34,569 --> 00:38:30,759
two serial killers together or were they

843
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:34,579
separate inside it's interesting because

844
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:38,450
I noticed one of them is well both of

845
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:40,640
them are convicted in prisons here so

846
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:41,200
when

847
00:38:46,980 --> 00:38:43,810
the name was Paul Bernardo and he was a

848
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:46,990
serial sex killer there was another one

849
00:38:49,830 --> 00:38:49,090
that was also a serial sex killer who

850
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:49,840
was a colonel

851
00:38:54,660 --> 00:38:52,210
within the Canadian military and they

852
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,670
both lived in the same area now they I

853
00:38:58,770 --> 00:38:56,560
don't think that their crimes are in any

854
00:39:01,020 --> 00:38:58,780
way connected but it's interesting that

855
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:01,030
on the internet a photo surfaced from

856
00:39:06,180 --> 00:39:02,890
the I think it was the late 70s or early

857
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:06,190
80s where they were both at a party

858
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:08,410
together and there's a picture of them

859
00:39:13,260 --> 00:39:10,000
together and neither of them at the time

860
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:13,270
but you know suspected of anything but

861
00:39:19,940 --> 00:39:17,290
the one definitely absolutely was just a

862
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:19,950
horror show throughout southern Ontario

863
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:24,160
in the late 80s and early 90s and thank

864
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:25,690
God they were both caught and put away

865
00:39:31,350 --> 00:39:28,480
but but yes they grew up in an area or

866
00:39:33,330 --> 00:39:31,360
they were living in an area anyway at

867
00:39:36,570 --> 00:39:33,340
one point where there was a lot of sort

868
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:36,580
of UFO activities recorded there was a

869
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:38,890
fellow in the 70s who had a van he was

870
00:39:43,020 --> 00:39:41,170
his UFO van that he would go out and

871
00:39:45,930 --> 00:39:43,030
record these these incidences and

872
00:39:49,170 --> 00:39:45,940
there's also this hotel called the guild

873
00:39:51,570 --> 00:39:49,180
in which was very haunted and its

874
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:51,580
grounds were haunted and that as well so

875
00:39:56,250 --> 00:39:54,610
and and these people lived these serial

876
00:40:00,090 --> 00:39:56,260
killers lived in that general little

877
00:40:01,860 --> 00:40:00,100
vicinity so yeah very eerie how

878
00:40:04,020 --> 00:40:01,870
sometimes you have these areas or

879
00:40:06,090 --> 00:40:04,030
neighborhoods sort of that just they

880
00:40:10,410 --> 00:40:06,100
have that strange vibe that produce all

881
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:10,420
sorts of weird stuff oh Jenny

882
00:40:19,410 --> 00:40:13,810
morphogenic sites yeah that's amazing

883
00:40:22,020 --> 00:40:19,420
yeah I think it takes though a a not

884
00:40:23,790 --> 00:40:22,030
special person but I mean you know you

885
00:40:26,190 --> 00:40:23,800
can have people who live in these houses

886
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:26,200
or live in these areas and not have any

887
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:29,110
kind of experience at all and then there

888
00:40:32,130 --> 00:40:30,850
are people who are susceptible to it

889
00:40:34,620 --> 00:40:32,140
they're you know they're like that

890
00:40:38,460 --> 00:40:34,630
they're like batteries almost maybe you

891
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:38,470
know maybe they add energy to these

892
00:40:44,430 --> 00:40:42,160
places that then you know create this

893
00:40:48,450 --> 00:40:44,440
phenomena that will then start centering

894
00:40:51,420 --> 00:40:48,460
around them because I mean I've you know

895
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:51,430
looked into haunted houses where you

896
00:40:54,420 --> 00:40:53,050
know you've had one family who live in

897
00:40:55,020 --> 00:40:54,430
the house and just you know all hell

898
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:55,030
breaks loose

899
00:40:58,620 --> 00:40:57,010
all the time and but then the next

900
00:41:00,210 --> 00:40:58,630
family that moves in they'll be like

901
00:41:02,970 --> 00:41:00,220
nothing's happening here those people

902
00:41:05,130 --> 00:41:02,980
were crazy you know yeah that's

903
00:41:08,220 --> 00:41:05,140
different levels of protection I believe

904
00:41:11,580 --> 00:41:08,230
it is I think people have ways of being

905
00:41:13,980 --> 00:41:11,590
and conducting their their lives so that

906
00:41:17,250 --> 00:41:13,990
they are protected whether you want to

907
00:41:18,450 --> 00:41:17,260
say it's by beings of light or or angels

908
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:18,460
or what-have-you

909
00:41:24,180 --> 00:41:21,970
that somehow they have a special sort of

910
00:41:26,430 --> 00:41:24,190
protection I think that's what it is do

911
00:41:29,550 --> 00:41:26,440
you think it could be a mindset as well

912
00:41:31,980 --> 00:41:29,560
like I mean I used to I used to

913
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:31,990
occasionally going on investigations and

914
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:33,760
we'd have like people that were super

915
00:41:37,230 --> 00:41:35,920
skeptical that really they they didn't

916
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:37,240
believe anything and I would I would

917
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:43,450
secretly call them black holes because I

918
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:44,800
don't think these people can actually

919
00:41:49,590 --> 00:41:46,930
have experiences because their mindset

920
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:49,600
is to such a degree that it just is not

921
00:41:53,610 --> 00:41:51,130
gonna happen that the whole thing gets

922
00:41:55,890 --> 00:41:53,620
shut down for them I think that those

923
00:41:58,590 --> 00:41:55,900
people I thought it's been always been

924
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,600
my experience that those people will

925
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:00,640
still have experiences but of a

926
00:42:06,780 --> 00:42:03,490
different type they will get a they will

927
00:42:09,780 --> 00:42:06,790
sometimes get a malaise or a I don't

928
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:09,790
know how to describe darkness that will

929
00:42:13,380 --> 00:42:11,680
attach to them make them even more

930
00:42:15,660 --> 00:42:13,390
depressed than what they really are and

931
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:15,670
they end up and they don't realize where

932
00:42:20,250 --> 00:42:17,650
it comes from or what it is because

933
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:20,260
they're expecting to see ghosts and or

934
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:21,970
or they're not expecting as egos

935
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:24,160
whatever their cynical of viewpoint is

936
00:42:29,130 --> 00:42:27,130
and so but they do become affected they

937
00:42:31,350 --> 00:42:29,140
do and they just met in ways that they

938
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:31,360
recognize that's what I that's been my

939
00:42:36,510 --> 00:42:34,510
experience for people like that well

940
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:36,520
plus I think also that even if they do

941
00:42:42,090 --> 00:42:39,760
have some kind of unusual experience to

942
00:42:44,300 --> 00:42:42,100
find some way to explain it off you know

943
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:44,310
it's like oh well it's you know it's

944
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:47,410
they've got a million explanations you

945
00:42:58,110 --> 00:42:55,830
awkward

946
00:43:00,300 --> 00:42:58,120
Occam's razor and yet some of these

947
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:00,310
people will jump through such fiery

948
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:02,530
hoops to try to come up with an

949
00:43:07,020 --> 00:43:05,410
explanation that the explanation this

950
00:43:08,460 --> 00:43:07,030
you know makes a lot less sense than

951
00:43:12,430 --> 00:43:08,470
just like oh well it was it go

952
00:43:15,130 --> 00:43:12,440
there wasn't a monk like I mean wasn't

953
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:15,140
wasn't his like razor really the idea

954
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:18,250
that if you can't explain it it's God I

955
00:43:23,590 --> 00:43:21,440
think I think so I think I think Arkham

956
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:23,600
Arkham was a monk and that was his

957
00:43:27,490 --> 00:43:25,490
default so it's kind of funny that the

958
00:43:30,010 --> 00:43:27,500
skeptics are using that Occam's razor

959
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:30,020
well this is exactly the reason why I

960
00:43:35,410 --> 00:43:32,810
wherever I go I was tell people we need

961
00:43:39,610 --> 00:43:35,420
we need to have investigators in these

962
00:43:43,180 --> 00:43:39,620
areas Perl true investigators whether in

963
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:43,190
from law enforcement or wherever but we

964
00:43:47,140 --> 00:43:45,410
need real investigators because real and

965
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:47,150
true investigators and I was right about

966
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:49,130
this in any of my books real

967
00:43:52,780 --> 00:43:52,370
investigators do not just follow the

968
00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:52,790
data

969
00:43:57,970 --> 00:43:55,250
a scientist great scientists like Boyd

970
00:43:59,680 --> 00:43:57,980
Bushmen have always told me you know

971
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:59,690
who's real scientists have to always

972
00:44:03,790 --> 00:44:01,280
follow the data or what that really

973
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:03,800
means it's code language means as soon

974
00:44:09,310 --> 00:44:05,810
as the physical data runs out the

975
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:09,320
materialist paradigm runs out scientists

976
00:44:13,060 --> 00:44:10,880
can't go any further that's it they have

977
00:44:14,410 --> 00:44:13,070
to stop right there and true

978
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:14,420
investigators have to follow the clues

979
00:44:20,590 --> 00:44:18,290
no matter where the clues lead and even

980
00:44:23,020 --> 00:44:20,600
if the the clues lead into the

981
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:23,030
metaphysical they still have to go there

982
00:44:27,460 --> 00:44:24,890
because that's what an investigator does

983
00:44:30,580 --> 00:44:27,470
and that's all I am I'm just an

984
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:30,590
investigator and I have to follow

985
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:33,290
wherever they Clues the patterns the

986
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:36,290
modus operandi the profiles that we're

987
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:38,810
building wherever they lead I have to

988
00:44:44,140 --> 00:44:41,090
follow and I can't stop just because the

989
00:44:46,060 --> 00:44:44,150
physical material explanation runs out I

990
00:44:48,670 --> 00:44:46,070
can't do that don't have that comfort

991
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:48,680
that scientists have and that's exactly

992
00:44:54,010 --> 00:44:51,920
why the scientific world views exactly

993
00:44:57,250 --> 00:44:54,020
the wrong one that will never get you

994
00:44:59,860 --> 00:44:57,260
anywhere in paranormal in ecology in

995
00:45:03,880 --> 00:44:59,870
things that go beyond the material

996
00:45:07,810 --> 00:45:03,890
that's just the way it is well I think

997
00:45:09,310 --> 00:45:07,820
one of the reasons is that and and I'm

998
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:09,320
not you know I always bring this up and

999
00:45:14,140 --> 00:45:10,640
it's always been you know like the core

1000
00:45:17,330 --> 00:45:14,150
foundation of my own research is to

1001
00:45:20,510 --> 00:45:17,340
listen to the witness

1002
00:45:21,980 --> 00:45:20,520
so many people investigators scientists

1003
00:45:25,370 --> 00:45:21,990
I mean they come in with our own mindset

1004
00:45:26,900 --> 00:45:25,380
and they fail to listen to you know the

1005
00:45:30,380 --> 00:45:26,910
person who's actually had to experience

1006
00:45:33,170 --> 00:45:30,390
and listen to what they say and it's

1007
00:45:37,250 --> 00:45:33,180
like you said John when it comes to that

1008
00:45:39,860 --> 00:45:37,260
point where it goes beyond what is you

1009
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,870
know currently known by science they

1010
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:41,520
will listen to the witness because then

1011
00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:43,890
that's anecdotal evidence you know we

1012
00:45:48,260 --> 00:45:46,110
can't tear it apart in the laboratory we

1013
00:45:51,470 --> 00:45:48,270
can't replicate it it's not real it's

1014
00:45:53,660 --> 00:45:51,480
anecdotal evidence exactly and so

1015
00:45:57,410 --> 00:45:53,670
anything that can't be repeated in the

1016
00:46:00,740 --> 00:45:57,420
laboratory then becomes becomes invalid

1017
00:46:02,780 --> 00:46:00,750
and that's just not that's a formula for

1018
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:02,790
never getting anywhere in the paranormal

1019
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:04,890
which is exactly what science has done

1020
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:07,890
for the last 60 years in ethology and in

1021
00:46:13,790 --> 00:46:11,850
the paranormal well I would I would say

1022
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:13,800
with antidotal evidence I mean it is

1023
00:46:19,850 --> 00:46:17,760
used in courts of law so I mean the you

1024
00:46:21,860 --> 00:46:19,860
know we have to listen to the witnesses

1025
00:46:23,450 --> 00:46:21,870
because they are really seemingly the

1026
00:46:26,890 --> 00:46:23,460
only tangible thing we have at the

1027
00:46:30,890 --> 00:46:26,900
moment well not just anecdotal anything

1028
00:46:33,740 --> 00:46:30,900
anything can be evidence in a court of

1029
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:33,750
law or in any venue that that handles

1030
00:46:39,230 --> 00:46:36,210
that deals with with proof and with

1031
00:46:41,210 --> 00:46:39,240
cases so people really don't really have

1032
00:46:42,370 --> 00:46:41,220
an idea of what evidence really is

1033
00:46:44,810 --> 00:46:42,380
anymore because of television

1034
00:46:47,210 --> 00:46:44,820
unfortunately they think they think that

1035
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:47,220
it has to be done in the CSI manner and

1036
00:46:50,690 --> 00:46:49,110
it has to be has to be taken to a

1037
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:50,700
laboratory that's what makes it evidence

1038
00:46:54,620 --> 00:46:52,800
and then nothing could be further from

1039
00:46:56,690 --> 00:46:54,630
the truth and that's why you need

1040
00:46:58,600 --> 00:46:56,700
experienced investigators in these areas

1041
00:47:01,280 --> 00:46:58,610
to really uncover that sort of thing

1042
00:47:02,690 --> 00:47:01,290
well and that's that's what we'll have

1043
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:02,700
to bring up in the second hour of

1044
00:47:08,660 --> 00:47:05,760
exploring the bizarre your your career

1045
00:47:12,980 --> 00:47:08,670
with the the FBI and how possibly that

1046
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:12,990
led to your current ideas on on all of

1047
00:47:17,540 --> 00:47:15,450
this so when we come out back after this

1048
00:47:21,410 --> 00:47:17,550
break we'll continue our conversation

1049
00:47:24,550 --> 00:47:21,420
with John Sousa and my host Susan the

1050
00:47:26,620 --> 00:47:24,560
timid or sorry Susan thankfully there

1051
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:26,630
stay tuned

1052
00:47:41,140 --> 00:47:30,240
like the goddess like the God no say it

1053
00:47:48,100 --> 00:47:45,620
explode the bazaars or e-ticket ride

1054
00:47:51,380 --> 00:47:48,110
into the world of the paranoid

1055
00:47:55,690 --> 00:47:51,390
strap yourself e'en as we traverse the

1056
00:48:00,110 --> 00:47:55,700
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

1057
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:00,120
ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters

1058
00:48:08,780 --> 00:48:04,290
as well as other dimensions it's time to

1059
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:08,790
take back the night last night now your

1060
00:48:17,740 --> 00:48:11,040
electrifying hosts of exploring the

1061
00:48:21,980 --> 00:48:19,940
alright welcome back to the second hour

1062
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:21,990
of exploring the bizarre I'm Tim

1063
00:48:26,810 --> 00:48:24,330
Schwartz Tim Beckley unfortunately it

1064
00:48:30,380 --> 00:48:26,820
can't be with us tonight so instead we

1065
00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:30,390
brought in Susan Demeter st. Claire haha

1066
00:48:39,230 --> 00:48:32,310
yeah I got it right there yeah that's

1067
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:39,240
right and our guest John D'Souza and

1068
00:48:47,150 --> 00:48:42,240
again anybody out there who has a

1069
00:48:49,820 --> 00:48:47,160
question for John or Susan or myself but

1070
00:48:51,860 --> 00:48:49,830
ask me any questions please I mean bring

1071
00:48:56,810 --> 00:48:51,870
him bring it in we were we were me hear

1072
00:49:01,490 --> 00:48:56,820
from you so John I wanted to bring up

1073
00:49:04,340 --> 00:49:01,500
all right 20 years plus working with the

1074
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:04,350
FBI and I know that a lot of people you

1075
00:49:08,030 --> 00:49:06,330
know when they find out about you I mean

1076
00:49:09,950 --> 00:49:08,040
though they get all excited I mean they

1077
00:49:12,380 --> 00:49:09,960
start thinking about the x-files and you

1078
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:12,390
know Mulder and Scully it's not my guy

1079
00:49:16,820 --> 00:49:14,640
but I mean you know for the for the most

1080
00:49:19,010 --> 00:49:16,830
part you know it's it's nothing like

1081
00:49:21,470 --> 00:49:19,020
that I mean you know the FBI generally

1082
00:49:23,450 --> 00:49:21,480
is not interested in you know there's a

1083
00:49:24,770 --> 00:49:23,460
paranormal UFOs or things like that

1084
00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:24,780
they've got other stuff that they have

1085
00:49:31,340 --> 00:49:29,250
to do that is true however they do have

1086
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:31,350
to do whatever is in front of them

1087
00:49:36,770 --> 00:49:33,920
whether it's just a material

1088
00:49:41,330 --> 00:49:36,780
investigation that's normal criminal

1089
00:49:44,090 --> 00:49:41,340
matter or anything of that sort or if it

1090
00:49:46,010 --> 00:49:44,100
segues into the paranormal they have to

1091
00:49:47,870 --> 00:49:46,020
take care of it they have to do it and I

1092
00:49:50,270 --> 00:49:47,880
can prove that that has happened over

1093
00:49:53,180 --> 00:49:50,280
and over again because all you got to do

1094
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:53,190
is go to the repository of all the

1095
00:49:58,690 --> 00:49:54,570
Declassified investigate

1096
00:50:02,930 --> 00:49:58,700
on the net which is which is at vault

1097
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:02,940
fbi.gov anyone can go to it it's

1098
00:50:06,860 --> 00:50:04,890
available it's all for free you can

1099
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:06,870
download any documents for free anyway

1100
00:50:11,450 --> 00:50:09,330
anything that people want and on there

1101
00:50:14,260 --> 00:50:11,460
there are regular investigations and

1102
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:14,270
then there's another tab that says

1103
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:17,850
unexplained phenomena there's a huge tab

1104
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:22,290
and if you click on that you go to say

1105
00:50:28,460 --> 00:50:24,960
US other tabs open up one of them says

1106
00:50:31,850 --> 00:50:28,470
cattle mutilation investigations another

1107
00:50:35,810 --> 00:50:31,860
one says JFK assassination another one

1108
00:50:38,090 --> 00:50:35,820
says UFOs and that one the one that says

1109
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:38,100
UFOs opens up when you click on that it

1110
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:40,770
opens up into huge groups of documents

1111
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:43,410
or talking thousands and thousands of

1112
00:50:48,020 --> 00:50:45,690
documents under various many many

1113
00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:48,030
investigations and those are all the UFO

1114
00:50:52,580 --> 00:50:49,800
investigations that have occurred in the

1115
00:50:55,790 --> 00:50:52,590
in the FBI and if you go to group one

1116
00:50:59,810 --> 00:50:55,800
you can group number one under the UFOs

1117
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:59,820
tab you will see that the FBI has dealt

1118
00:51:04,670 --> 00:51:01,920
with many many of these types of

1119
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:04,680
investigations as best they could anyway

1120
00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:08,640
and if you go to the group number one of

1121
00:51:16,100 --> 00:51:12,780
UFOs then you click on that you will can

1122
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:16,110
go to page 22 and if you go to page 22

1123
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:19,440
of group number one of UFO documents you

1124
00:51:25,220 --> 00:51:22,170
will see what I called the smoking gun

1125
00:51:28,850 --> 00:51:25,230
document which is the most suppressed

1126
00:51:32,650 --> 00:51:28,860
and ignored document in all wolf ology

1127
00:51:35,540 --> 00:51:32,660
and in all a paranormal it is a one-page

1128
00:51:38,090 --> 00:51:35,550
report from an FBI agent who also

1129
00:51:40,700 --> 00:51:38,100
happened to be a scientist as well and

1130
00:51:43,010 --> 00:51:40,710
he writes in this in this one-page

1131
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:43,020
document which has hardly any strikeouts

1132
00:51:50,330 --> 00:51:45,330
it's also called a Memorandum of

1133
00:51:54,020 --> 00:51:50,340
importance written July 8th 1947 and it

1134
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:54,030
says in it it says this FBI agent has an

1135
00:52:00,350 --> 00:51:57,450
informant and in it he says my informant

1136
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:00,360
is supernormal which is an old-timey

1137
00:52:05,390 --> 00:52:03,050
word for supernatural or paranormal and

1138
00:52:08,089 --> 00:52:05,400
from the context it appears that his

1139
00:52:10,249 --> 00:52:08,099
informant is an alien visitor

1140
00:52:12,049 --> 00:52:10,259
because I see only conclusion income -

1141
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:12,059
based on what he writes in the document

1142
00:52:15,499 --> 00:52:13,890
because a document has about eight

1143
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:15,509
conclusions in it that were given to him

1144
00:52:22,189 --> 00:52:18,079
by this informant and the first one is

1145
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:22,199
that alien visitors are not physical

1146
00:52:28,789 --> 00:52:27,119
they are not coming from our time and

1147
00:52:30,979 --> 00:52:28,799
space they're not coming from next

1148
00:52:33,739 --> 00:52:30,989
galaxy over they're not coming from the

1149
00:52:37,009 --> 00:52:33,749
Pleiades or from anywhere in our

1150
00:52:39,079 --> 00:52:37,019
physical reality he says they are coming

1151
00:52:42,439 --> 00:52:39,089
from other and he says he uses the word

1152
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:42,449
Vettes which is the old the old benek

1153
00:52:47,329 --> 00:52:45,119
language right sorry sorry Lopes the

1154
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:47,339
word is locusts which is the old Vedic

1155
00:52:52,249 --> 00:52:49,680
language for other levels of reality

1156
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:52,259
other dimensions and so we're talking

1157
00:52:56,689 --> 00:52:54,930
about wormholes and gateways here this

1158
00:52:58,459 --> 00:52:56,699
this is what this this is what we're

1159
00:53:00,949 --> 00:52:58,469
talking about and he says they've

1160
00:53:03,499 --> 00:53:00,959
changed their vibration alien visitors

1161
00:53:06,140 --> 00:53:03,509
real ones they change their vibrations

1162
00:53:07,459 --> 00:53:06,150
to match our physical vibrations for

1163
00:53:09,709 --> 00:53:07,469
short periods of time and that's how

1164
00:53:12,199 --> 00:53:09,719
they appear here then he says and then

1165
00:53:13,779 --> 00:53:12,209
their vibration goes back and they go

1166
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:13,789
back to where they came from

1167
00:53:18,229 --> 00:53:16,559
same thing with UFOs he says UFOs are

1168
00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:18,239
empty there's no one inside these UFOs

1169
00:53:24,469 --> 00:53:21,569
these UFOs accompany alien visitors to

1170
00:53:27,380 --> 00:53:24,479
carry out small tasks for them and they

1171
00:53:29,479 --> 00:53:27,390
says these are these alien visitors are

1172
00:53:31,279 --> 00:53:29,489
coming here and we should never attack

1173
00:53:34,430 --> 00:53:31,289
UFOs he says I would be a catastrophe

1174
00:53:37,009 --> 00:53:34,440
for our Air Force if we ever do that

1175
00:53:40,370 --> 00:53:37,019
because of there's incredibly advanced

1176
00:53:42,140 --> 00:53:40,380
technology and a few years after this

1177
00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:42,150
was written we saw that what happened in

1178
00:53:47,870 --> 00:53:45,089
1952 over Washington DC when our Air

1179
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:47,880
Force was sent after a UFO invasion over

1180
00:53:52,249 --> 00:53:49,680
Washington DC over the Washington

1181
00:53:55,309 --> 00:53:52,259
Monument and some of the most protected

1182
00:53:57,859 --> 00:53:55,319
airspace in the nation and we had a UFO

1183
00:54:02,059 --> 00:53:57,869
invasion right over Washington DC in

1184
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:02,069
1952 and our Air Force was humiliated by

1185
00:54:07,519 --> 00:54:04,559
these vehicles for two weeks almost 14

1186
00:54:11,509 --> 00:54:07,529
days day and night this happened over

1187
00:54:13,549 --> 00:54:11,519
the Washington DC Capitol and it was and

1188
00:54:15,529 --> 00:54:13,559
there's there's a Roberts Commission

1189
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:15,539
report about that that basically there

1190
00:54:18,589 --> 00:54:17,729
were hundreds of military and civilian

1191
00:54:21,979 --> 00:54:18,599
witnesses

1192
00:54:24,349 --> 00:54:21,989
that saw this and those planes were so

1193
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:24,359
many of the conclusions in this document

1194
00:54:29,329 --> 00:54:27,200
have been borne out over the years and

1195
00:54:31,039 --> 00:54:29,339
have been reinforced

1196
00:54:34,700 --> 00:54:31,049
that's as we've seen the

1197
00:54:38,180 --> 00:54:34,710
extra-dimensional hypothesis borne out

1198
00:54:46,579 --> 00:54:38,190
over many many cases well considering

1199
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:46,589
I'm sorry Susan go ahead okay I'll go

1200
00:54:51,140 --> 00:54:49,680
first use in there because IIIi need to

1201
00:54:54,109 --> 00:54:51,150
Burt I need to bring this up okay this

1202
00:54:58,029 --> 00:54:54,119
this document was written in 1947 that

1203
00:55:01,789 --> 00:54:58,039
now say that that was a pretty advanced

1204
00:55:06,499 --> 00:55:01,799
concept at that time considering that

1205
00:55:10,849 --> 00:55:06,509
you know any consideration from the US

1206
00:55:12,259 --> 00:55:10,859
Army Air Corps well I mean they weren't

1207
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:12,269
even at that point even thinking about

1208
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:14,970
you know uh extraterrestrials are aliens

1209
00:55:20,299 --> 00:55:16,410
from outer space they were worried that

1210
00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:20,309
these things were possibly a rush from

1211
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:22,609
the Soviet Union or possibly even

1212
00:55:27,229 --> 00:55:25,650
possibly even Nazis that had you know

1213
00:55:29,749 --> 00:55:27,239
gotten away and we're you know like in

1214
00:55:31,249 --> 00:55:29,759
South America or someplace like that it

1215
00:55:33,019 --> 00:55:31,259
wasn't so quite a bit later that's the

1216
00:55:35,660 --> 00:55:33,029
whole that the idea of extraterrestrials

1217
00:55:41,049 --> 00:55:35,670
even came up so here you have this guy

1218
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:41,059
talking about extra dimensional beings

1219
00:55:46,609 --> 00:55:44,729
visiting us that's just you know it just

1220
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:46,619
blows my mind right but what was

1221
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:48,210
happening at this time and the reason

1222
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:51,410
that he wrote this document was because

1223
00:55:59,479 --> 00:55:55,680
apparently in 1947 in the run-up to that

1224
00:56:03,829 --> 00:55:59,489
that winter and going into fall that

1225
00:56:06,109 --> 00:56:03,839
there was a wave of ufos across not just

1226
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:06,119
the country but across the world that

1227
00:56:11,959 --> 00:56:08,249
was apparently very very significant and

1228
00:56:14,660 --> 00:56:11,969
so the scientific community was asking

1229
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:14,670
anybody has knowledge about this to tell

1230
00:56:18,739 --> 00:56:16,799
them tell them what is this who are

1231
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:18,749
these who are these UFOs what are they

1232
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:21,119
doing what do they want and so that's

1233
00:56:25,999 --> 00:56:24,089
why he wrote this document but what

1234
00:56:29,749 --> 00:56:26,009
happened at the same time right around

1235
00:56:31,690 --> 00:56:29,759
July of 1947 that buried this document

1236
00:56:34,750 --> 00:56:31,700
for the next forty years

1237
00:56:37,059 --> 00:56:34,760
absolutely absolutely buried this

1238
00:56:40,180 --> 00:56:37,069
document what happened was the Roswell

1239
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:40,190
crash and the discovery of the Roswell

1240
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:42,290
crash right around the same time which

1241
00:56:47,170 --> 00:56:44,690
the Roswell crash I believe was a SIA

1242
00:56:49,450 --> 00:56:47,180
that was done to make us believe the

1243
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:49,460
opposite to make us believe that alien

1244
00:56:52,900 --> 00:56:51,530
visitors are completely physical that

1245
00:56:54,700 --> 00:56:52,910
they're just like us

1246
00:56:56,799 --> 00:56:54,710
that they just locked themselves in tin

1247
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:56,809
cans and just like any of us could have

1248
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:58,400
a car accident end up dead by the side

1249
00:57:01,990 --> 00:57:00,559
of the road that alien visitors are just

1250
00:57:03,579 --> 00:57:02,000
like that they're they can lock

1251
00:57:05,799 --> 00:57:03,589
themselves in these tin cans that can

1252
00:57:07,839 --> 00:57:05,809
crash and a couple of bodies just dead

1253
00:57:10,690 --> 00:57:07,849
by the end by the side of the road just

1254
00:57:13,180 --> 00:57:10,700
like any of us could end up so that's

1255
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:13,190
the reason because Roswell happened

1256
00:57:16,809 --> 00:57:15,290
it basically buried this document and

1257
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:16,819
took away any attention from this

1258
00:57:21,220 --> 00:57:18,770
document for the next 40 years more or

1259
00:57:23,380 --> 00:57:21,230
less I was gonna ask you about that

1260
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:23,390
because when you first started telling

1261
00:57:27,490 --> 00:57:25,490
us about this you had used the word

1262
00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:27,500
suppressed and I was gonna ask you who

1263
00:57:32,470 --> 00:57:30,319
do you feel is suppressing this document

1264
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:32,480
if it's available online for us to all

1265
00:57:37,420 --> 00:57:35,119
read well it is now yeah it is now about

1266
00:57:39,370 --> 00:57:37,430
many years later through just through

1267
00:57:44,319 --> 00:57:39,380
the process of ordinary declassification

1268
00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:44,329
of time yeah so and so that is how but

1269
00:57:49,359 --> 00:57:46,400
no when I say suppression what I really

1270
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:49,369
mean is just by taking away putting no

1271
00:57:52,780 --> 00:57:51,410
attention on it I mean whenever you

1272
00:57:54,579 --> 00:57:52,790
point the camera at something you're

1273
00:57:57,309 --> 00:57:54,589
taking it away from somewhere else so

1274
00:57:57,970 --> 00:57:57,319
just by ignoring it it's never been

1275
00:58:00,609 --> 00:57:57,980
brought up

1276
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:00,619
meanwhile the something like the the

1277
00:58:08,039 --> 00:58:04,730
jato memo the FBI huddle memo which is

1278
00:58:11,079 --> 00:58:08,049
just basically a memo is is constantly

1279
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:11,089
pointed at and and publicized all the

1280
00:58:15,250 --> 00:58:13,250
time and how the memo was nothing more

1281
00:58:18,250 --> 00:58:15,260
than the FBI recognizing that Roswell

1282
00:58:19,660 --> 00:58:18,260
happened and that they had to have and

1283
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:19,670
that the FBI had to get some

1284
00:58:23,530 --> 00:58:22,250
investigations out there so that the Air

1285
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:23,540
Force wouldn't take all of the

1286
00:58:29,380 --> 00:58:26,210
information and glory from from that

1287
00:58:32,140 --> 00:58:29,390
particular investigation so so for

1288
00:58:34,359 --> 00:58:32,150
instance it's so what I meant was it was

1289
00:58:36,910 --> 00:58:34,369
suppressed by simply not having any

1290
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:36,920
attention placed upon it when it was

1291
00:58:42,220 --> 00:58:39,200
something so explosive

1292
00:58:44,380 --> 00:58:42,230
and so revelatory as far as what it

1293
00:58:46,299 --> 00:58:44,390
tells us and where it tells that

1294
00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:46,309
that information is from but it would

1295
00:58:50,109 --> 00:58:47,529
have been available to other

1296
00:58:52,750 --> 00:58:50,119
investigators at the time I'm just

1297
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:52,760
trying to gauge the mood with the FBI as

1298
00:58:59,319 --> 00:58:56,930
to these sort of that these phenomena

1299
00:59:02,200 --> 00:58:59,329
there's obviously they have investigated

1300
00:59:05,049 --> 00:59:02,210
and and III believe that's true of all

1301
00:59:06,910 --> 00:59:05,059
law enforcement to the best of what they

1302
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:06,920
can because obviously there's no crimes

1303
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:10,160
really being committed per se but I I do

1304
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:12,529
know that here in in Ontario there was

1305
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:14,210
an autobiography done by one of the

1306
00:59:18,549 --> 00:59:16,490
Chiefs of Police in Toronto where it's

1307
00:59:21,250 --> 00:59:18,559
not about the paranormal but he does

1308
00:59:23,950 --> 00:59:21,260
include a small chapter about Inuk a

1309
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:23,960
case that sort of alludes to potential

1310
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:26,210
ghosts and synchronicities of all things

1311
00:59:30,549 --> 00:59:28,730
that occurred during the investigation

1312
00:59:33,099 --> 00:59:30,559
that actually led them to an arrest

1313
00:59:35,319 --> 00:59:33,109
so I I do believe that that they do

1314
00:59:37,630 --> 00:59:35,329
actually follow up on these things as

1315
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:37,640
you said where the clues sort of lead

1316
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:41,359
you but I'm just wondering in your time

1317
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:43,010
and the FBI did you find that there were

1318
00:59:48,220 --> 00:59:44,930
more people that perhaps would be open

1319
00:59:51,549 --> 00:59:48,230
to these types of phenomena or is it

1320
00:59:53,470 --> 00:59:51,559
just based on cases or was this

1321
00:59:56,259 --> 00:59:53,480
something that you sort of honed in on

1322
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:56,269
during your career or yes it was it

1323
01:00:00,910 --> 00:59:58,400
would be all of the above because early

1324
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:00,920
in my career in the FBI I was always a

1325
01:00:07,930 --> 01:00:04,160
collection point for paranormal cases

1326
01:00:10,359 --> 01:00:07,940
and for paranormal work and so and even

1327
01:00:12,430 --> 01:00:10,369
paranormal stories of other people in

1328
01:00:14,349 --> 01:00:12,440
law enforcement so that was always

1329
01:00:15,999 --> 01:00:14,359
something that I was so I always found a

1330
01:00:18,039 --> 01:00:16,009
greater openness to it but that could be

1331
01:00:20,769 --> 01:00:18,049
because people would come to me with

1332
01:00:22,900 --> 01:00:20,779
that sort of thing all the time so you

1333
01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:22,910
know as a matter of fact some of my

1334
01:00:30,490 --> 01:00:26,720
cases in the 90s were apparently used

1335
01:00:34,410 --> 01:00:30,500
for a show called the x-files not by my

1336
01:00:36,299 --> 01:00:34,420
doing not by anything I did but but by

1337
01:00:39,609 --> 01:00:36,309
things that were done by other people

1338
01:00:42,579 --> 01:00:39,619
because we had a we had a major inquiry

1339
01:00:45,789 --> 01:00:42,589
by the bosses in the FBI who wanted to

1340
01:00:47,740 --> 01:00:45,799
know from from the creator of the

1341
01:00:49,660 --> 01:00:47,750
exhaust Chris Carter where he was

1342
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:49,670
getting his information because I had

1343
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:51,410
possibly been some case information that

1344
01:00:57,410 --> 01:00:54,930
had been taken into his episodes

1345
01:00:58,640 --> 01:00:57,420
the x-files and so he was questioned

1346
01:01:01,099 --> 01:00:58,650
about that I was questioned about

1347
01:01:02,870 --> 01:01:01,109
whether I had given any information on

1348
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:02,880
that sort of thing and I was able to say

1349
01:01:10,279 --> 01:01:06,240
no I had no contact at all and at that

1350
01:01:12,049 --> 01:01:10,289
time basically Chris Carter and I had

1351
01:01:14,210 --> 01:01:12,059
the same question which was well they

1352
01:01:16,789 --> 01:01:14,220
could tell us the exact episodes they're

1353
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:16,799
talking about then we could go further

1354
01:01:22,039 --> 01:01:20,010
and finding out what information gotten

1355
01:01:23,539 --> 01:01:22,049
out on those and they weren't willing to

1356
01:01:25,690 --> 01:01:23,549
say that so they kind of called it a tie

1357
01:01:30,170 --> 01:01:25,700
and told Chris Carter he could go on

1358
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:30,180
doing his show The X Files and and I was

1359
01:01:35,539 --> 01:01:32,730
unfortunately given the nickname the

1360
01:01:38,870 --> 01:01:35,549
x-files guy which was a shortened

1361
01:01:41,180 --> 01:01:38,880
shortened to the x-man after that I was

1362
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:41,190
told I was demoted from the key man to

1363
01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:43,680
x-men oh dear well that would be a

1364
01:01:48,289 --> 01:01:45,839
promotion I would think because that's

1365
01:01:50,990 --> 01:01:48,299
you know like yeah as opposed to because

1366
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:51,000
g-man but then x-man is like you know I

1367
01:01:55,490 --> 01:01:53,970
think x-men right that's a I would say

1368
01:01:57,500 --> 01:01:55,500
that's a promotion because you're

1369
01:02:00,410 --> 01:01:57,510
dealing with all this sort of really

1370
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:00,420
interesting cool stuff I remember at the

1371
01:02:04,819 --> 01:02:02,490
time I was a huge fan of the x-files and

1372
01:02:07,039 --> 01:02:04,829
Chris Carter was saying that his

1373
01:02:09,170 --> 01:02:07,049
inspiration to sort of begin writing was

1374
01:02:11,539 --> 01:02:09,180
from the old kolcheck series from the

1375
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:11,549
1970s where there was the he wasn't an

1376
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:13,680
FBI guy he was more of a journalist that

1377
01:02:18,589 --> 01:02:16,410
was chasing vampires and things but I'm

1378
01:02:21,049 --> 01:02:18,599
wondering if maybe it's a situation of

1379
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:21,059
art imitating life sort of that maybe

1380
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:23,520
somehow he was pooling from some greater

1381
01:02:27,859 --> 01:02:25,410
consciousness and getting this

1382
01:02:31,579 --> 01:02:27,869
information that seemingly seemed like

1383
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:31,589
true FBI cases yeah well my view my view

1384
01:02:38,299 --> 01:02:34,970
is he had he had retired FBI agents

1385
01:02:41,510 --> 01:02:38,309
working as consultants which other TV

1386
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:41,520
shows do and my own suspicion is that

1387
01:02:47,150 --> 01:02:44,490
they took some of my stuff that they had

1388
01:02:49,490 --> 01:02:47,160
been aware of and used it in the show

1389
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:49,500
that's just that's just my own suspicion

1390
01:02:54,740 --> 01:02:51,930
because you you were recognizing things

1391
01:02:56,599 --> 01:02:54,750
that were there were deals done yes yeah

1392
01:03:00,680 --> 01:02:56,609
it's it's weird the way the secrecy

1393
01:03:04,730 --> 01:03:00,690
system works it's like I can't really

1394
01:03:05,769 --> 01:03:04,740
talk about my own cases to a certain

1395
01:03:08,450 --> 01:03:05,779
extent

1396
01:03:11,269 --> 01:03:08,460
but it's weird but you can talk about

1397
01:03:14,059 --> 01:03:11,279
somebody else's cases if you if you talk

1398
01:03:17,239 --> 01:03:14,069
about them like as a rumor or as this is

1399
01:03:19,309 --> 01:03:17,249
what I heard then it's fine to do but

1400
01:03:22,190 --> 01:03:19,319
yes we're but as an FBI agent you can't

1401
01:03:24,589 --> 01:03:22,200
talk so much directly about your own

1402
01:03:27,950 --> 01:03:24,599
cases unless it's in a very vague sort

1403
01:03:30,769 --> 01:03:27,960
of way yes yeah I'd love to know what

1404
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:30,779
episodes of the eff of the x-files that

1405
01:03:36,769 --> 01:03:34,319
got the FBI so interested yeah hey well

1406
01:03:38,569 --> 01:03:36,779
they will reveal what that is but you

1407
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:38,579
know you go and you watch these shows

1408
01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:40,410
like maybe it's that one no no it's this

1409
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:42,960
one you know well it had to be the first

1410
01:03:48,259 --> 01:03:46,170
the first years worth because it was

1411
01:03:49,819 --> 01:03:48,269
this happened during the first during

1412
01:03:54,620 --> 01:03:49,829
the first year that the x-files was on

1413
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:54,630
the air mm-hmm interesting

1414
01:03:59,779 --> 01:03:57,599
when and Chris Carter always you know he

1415
01:04:01,700 --> 01:03:59,789
always said that oh no no I didn't you

1416
01:04:04,849 --> 01:04:01,710
know I just we just wrote this up all

1417
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:04,859
all our own but then he said that he was

1418
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:06,450
afraid that the FBI was gonna take him

1419
01:04:11,329 --> 01:04:08,640
off the air yeah well this is why it's

1420
01:04:14,660 --> 01:04:11,339
for this reason yeah yeah but the FBI

1421
01:04:16,220 --> 01:04:14,670
can't do that I don't think they could

1422
01:04:20,210 --> 01:04:16,230
either I don't think they could either

1423
01:04:26,170 --> 01:04:20,220
but you know government people they suck

1424
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:30,529
well okay I'm interested in the story

1425
01:04:35,539 --> 01:04:33,410
that you told about the indigo children

1426
01:04:38,359 --> 01:04:35,549
do you want to tell us a little bit

1427
01:04:42,109 --> 01:04:38,369
about that oh sure you know in that's a

1428
01:04:45,019 --> 01:04:42,119
fascinating case in 2001 the FBI had

1429
01:04:48,229 --> 01:04:45,029
stood up all of these intelligence right

1430
01:04:51,979 --> 01:04:48,239
after the the World Trade Center had

1431
01:04:56,749 --> 01:04:51,989
been had been bombed and destroyed in

1432
01:04:58,519 --> 01:04:56,759
the alleged terrorist acts we had we had

1433
01:05:00,410 --> 01:04:58,529
stood up all these intelligence centers

1434
01:05:01,700 --> 01:05:00,420
all over the all over the countries

1435
01:05:03,769 --> 01:05:01,710
intelligence task force's that were

1436
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:03,779
collecting information on anybody who

1437
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:06,210
could know who was who all were involved

1438
01:05:11,299 --> 01:05:08,690
in the World Trade Center bombing and

1439
01:05:16,339 --> 01:05:11,309
the attack on the World Trade Center and

1440
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:16,349
so we had we had all these centers that

1441
01:05:21,090 --> 01:05:19,330
had FBI agents police local police from

1442
01:05:22,830 --> 01:05:21,100
every department every kind of police

1443
01:05:25,020 --> 01:05:22,840
agency they were all in these places

1444
01:05:27,750 --> 01:05:25,030
collecting leads and collecting

1445
01:05:29,610 --> 01:05:27,760
information on anybody calling in and

1446
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:29,620
people were told see son they say

1447
01:05:32,700 --> 01:05:31,090
something you know call it in let us

1448
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:32,710
know because we're looking for any

1449
01:05:37,530 --> 01:05:36,130
possible clues on the what happened at

1450
01:05:40,530 --> 01:05:37,540
the World Trade Center so please let us

1451
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:40,540
know and so you know thousands thousands

1452
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:42,010
probably hundreds of thousands across

1453
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:43,330
the country because we're talking all

1454
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:45,730
over the country these centers had been

1455
01:05:53,610 --> 01:05:49,680
stood up and so what we found was that

1456
01:05:58,140 --> 01:05:53,620
there were dozens and dozens of these

1457
01:06:02,040 --> 01:05:58,150
calls of people calling in information

1458
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:02,050
on little kids little kids now why would

1459
01:06:07,410 --> 01:06:04,090
they call it information of little kids

1460
01:06:08,970 --> 01:06:07,420
it was because there were a dozen dozens

1461
01:06:11,610 --> 01:06:08,980
of these cases across the country where

1462
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:11,620
little kids had had precognitive

1463
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:14,170
experiences of what was going to happen

1464
01:06:19,950 --> 01:06:17,290
on 9/11 and we're talking kids as young

1465
01:06:23,460 --> 01:06:19,960
it's like five years old going all the

1466
01:06:26,850 --> 01:06:23,470
way up to twelve years old and but and

1467
01:06:29,460 --> 01:06:26,860
so we have as for example we had a one

1468
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:29,470
little boy who did this beautiful finger

1469
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:31,090
painting if you go on my facebook I

1470
01:06:37,890 --> 01:06:33,250
actually have a I actually have a

1471
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:37,900
trailer on my facebook of my book my

1472
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:40,330
first book the para investigators where

1473
01:06:45,660 --> 01:06:42,130
I actually in the trailer actually put

1474
01:06:47,070 --> 01:06:45,670
the the actual finger painting and we

1475
01:06:50,550 --> 01:06:47,080
have a little boy did this beautiful

1476
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:50,560
finger painting in class the day before

1477
01:06:56,250 --> 01:06:53,770
9/11 and the teacher came over to him

1478
01:06:57,330 --> 01:06:56,260
said wow wow sweetheart these these two

1479
01:06:59,490 --> 01:06:57,340
tall buildings

1480
01:07:01,290 --> 01:06:59,500
very nicely done these two tall

1481
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:01,300
buildings appear to be glowing and

1482
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:03,850
there's angels flying out of these

1483
01:07:08,850 --> 01:07:06,010
buildings with red wings where these

1484
01:07:10,770 --> 01:07:08,860
Angels flying to and the little boy says

1485
01:07:13,620 --> 01:07:10,780
to the teacher these buildings aren't

1486
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:13,630
glowing these buildings are on fire and

1487
01:07:17,850 --> 01:07:15,850
those aren't angels with red wings he

1488
01:07:19,410 --> 01:07:17,860
says those are people who are also on

1489
01:07:22,620 --> 01:07:19,420
fire and they're jumping out of the

1490
01:07:25,050 --> 01:07:22,630
buildings so teacher walks away from a

1491
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:25,060
kid like that just doesn't talk doesn't

1492
01:07:27,730 --> 01:07:26,770
think about it much more until 9/11

1493
01:07:30,790 --> 01:07:27,740
happens

1494
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:30,800
and then she actually calls that in as a

1495
01:07:35,380 --> 01:07:33,410
possible connection to terrorism of some

1496
01:07:37,780 --> 01:07:35,390
sort and we have another little girl

1497
01:07:40,450 --> 01:07:37,790
who's on a playground who was just

1498
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:40,460
playing by herself not not playing with

1499
01:07:44,620 --> 01:07:42,170
the other little kid she was sitting on

1500
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:44,630
the dirt and tracing designs in the dirt

1501
01:07:48,790 --> 01:07:46,490
with her finger and teacher's aide comes

1502
01:07:50,079 --> 01:07:48,800
over to her says you okay you know are

1503
01:07:52,599 --> 01:07:50,089
you all right sweetheart you know what's

1504
01:07:54,490 --> 01:07:52,609
uh are you and little girl says I'm fine

1505
01:07:56,829 --> 01:07:54,500
I'm just thinking that's all and then

1506
01:07:59,320 --> 01:07:56,839
the teacher a teacher's assistant goes

1507
01:08:01,900 --> 01:07:59,330
to walk away and the little girl pulled

1508
01:08:04,740 --> 01:08:01,910
on her skirt violently and says to her

1509
01:08:07,599 --> 01:08:04,750
tomorrow stay away from tall buildings

1510
01:08:12,670 --> 01:08:07,609
because tall buildings fall down and

1511
01:08:14,050 --> 01:08:12,680
sometimes they fall on people yeah again

1512
01:08:15,790 --> 01:08:14,060
the teacher walks away from that little

1513
01:08:18,249 --> 01:08:15,800
girl doesn't think about it at all until

1514
01:08:20,650 --> 01:08:18,259
9/11 happened the next day then she

1515
01:08:22,059 --> 01:08:20,660
thinks back on the experience and thinks

1516
01:08:24,670 --> 01:08:22,069
well maybe I should let somebody know

1517
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:24,680
this little girl said this so there's

1518
01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:27,170
another little boy who was on a school

1519
01:08:29,440 --> 01:08:28,880
bus he's always the first kid off a

1520
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:29,450
school bus

1521
01:08:34,300 --> 01:08:32,210
every day very anxious little little boy

1522
01:08:36,970 --> 01:08:34,310
but on this day he's sound asleep and

1523
01:08:39,849 --> 01:08:36,980
the last person on the bus sound asleep

1524
01:08:41,499 --> 01:08:39,859
and bus driver goes back there to wake

1525
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:41,509
him up and little boys having a

1526
01:08:45,579 --> 01:08:43,370
nightmare wakes up screaming about

1527
01:08:48,940 --> 01:08:45,589
people on fire jumping out of buildings

1528
01:08:50,890 --> 01:08:48,950
and how horrible it is and bus driver

1529
01:08:52,959 --> 01:08:50,900
doesn't think about it and just sends

1530
01:08:56,740 --> 01:08:52,969
the kid in the school make sure he's

1531
01:08:58,630 --> 01:08:56,750
okay and but then when 911 happens

1532
01:09:00,550 --> 01:08:58,640
bus driver thinks about that experience

1533
01:09:02,410 --> 01:09:00,560
again thinks it's kind of odd and

1534
01:09:04,959 --> 01:09:02,420
figures he should phone it in so that's

1535
01:09:06,849 --> 01:09:04,969
what happened and there were dozens of

1536
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:06,859
these experiences that occurred all over

1537
01:09:12,190 --> 01:09:10,130
the country and they had to be

1538
01:09:14,140 --> 01:09:12,200
investigated they had to be run out the

1539
01:09:17,890 --> 01:09:14,150
investigation had to be run out to the

1540
01:09:20,530 --> 01:09:17,900
end we had the big police officers or

1541
01:09:21,999 --> 01:09:20,540
FBI agents with guns had to go interview

1542
01:09:24,220 --> 01:09:22,009
these little kids or remind them of

1543
01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:24,230
these experiences and then check the

1544
01:09:27,249 --> 01:09:25,759
backgrounds of the families to see if

1545
01:09:30,729 --> 01:09:27,259
there was any connection anyone in

1546
01:09:32,530 --> 01:09:30,739
terrorism and they had to be checked out

1547
01:09:35,709 --> 01:09:32,540
and in every single one of these cases

1548
01:09:38,349 --> 01:09:35,719
it came back no connection to terrorism

1549
01:09:40,090 --> 01:09:38,359
whatsoever so that the paranormal

1550
01:09:40,930 --> 01:09:40,100
explanation every one of these cases the

1551
01:09:45,870 --> 01:09:40,940
paranormal

1552
01:09:50,260 --> 01:09:45,880
nation was the only explanation left I

1553
01:09:52,599 --> 01:09:50,270
would think it would be so hard to talk

1554
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:52,609
to these children you know I mean

1555
01:09:55,870 --> 01:09:53,930
because you know I mean you know

1556
01:10:00,250 --> 01:09:55,880
children that age you know after so long

1557
01:10:05,410 --> 01:10:00,260
a time their own fantasies are going to

1558
01:10:06,850 --> 01:10:05,420
start intruding into these initial you

1559
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:06,860
know precognition or you know whatever

1560
01:10:11,050 --> 01:10:09,530
you'd want to call it and it'd be like

1561
01:10:12,310 --> 01:10:11,060
it oh yeah you know those buildings on

1562
01:10:15,580 --> 01:10:12,320
fire and stuff like that but it was

1563
01:10:17,590 --> 01:10:15,590
caused by dragons yeah yeah things like

1564
01:10:21,220 --> 01:10:17,600
that so I mean you know how how

1565
01:10:24,430 --> 01:10:21,230
difficult would it be to you know weed

1566
01:10:25,510 --> 01:10:24,440
out the chaff so to speak was very hard

1567
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:25,520
and it's always hard I mean some of

1568
01:10:30,670 --> 01:10:27,170
these kids didn't even remember until

1569
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:30,680
they they had to be really jogged mm-hmm

1570
01:10:36,820 --> 01:10:34,130
no alright well we'll continue this

1571
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:36,830
story and others would we come back from

1572
01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:39,170
our next break here we are Suzan already

1573
01:10:45,070 --> 01:10:40,400
at the bottom of the hour

1574
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:45,080
Josh time really flies all right well we

1575
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:47,600
will be right back for more exploring

1576
01:11:03,780 --> 01:11:01,200
now back to exploring the bazaar with

1577
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:03,790
two of the most electrifying researchers

1578
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:07,120
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

1579
01:11:16,740 --> 01:11:13,570
Lee and chase lists well here we are

1580
01:11:19,350 --> 01:11:16,750
Susan bottom of the hour less than a

1581
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:19,360
half hour left of the show so many

1582
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:22,330
questions so little time there is this

1583
01:11:26,210 --> 01:11:24,400
is just it's gone by too quickly you'll

1584
01:11:29,010 --> 01:11:26,220
just you're gonna have to have me back

1585
01:11:34,230 --> 01:11:29,020
yes yeah I think William Anderson

1586
01:11:35,730 --> 01:11:34,240
yes sir John I want to ask you because

1587
01:11:38,190 --> 01:11:35,740
we were talking about this these

1588
01:11:40,710 --> 01:11:38,200
children and it got me to thinking about

1589
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:40,720
the ethics and treating witnesses and

1590
01:11:46,170 --> 01:11:42,730
and generally investigating the

1591
01:11:48,330 --> 01:11:46,180
paranormal you have a background in law

1592
01:11:50,460 --> 01:11:48,340
enforcement that you can sort of pull

1593
01:11:53,670 --> 01:11:50,470
from and you can you can go on with your

1594
01:11:56,100 --> 01:11:53,680
investigations from that background what

1595
01:11:59,070 --> 01:11:56,110
advice do you have for the UFO community

1596
01:12:01,680 --> 01:11:59,080
and people that are out there that may

1597
01:12:04,170 --> 01:12:01,690
not have that background but but want to

1598
01:12:06,060 --> 01:12:04,180
research and investigate these cases

1599
01:12:09,690 --> 01:12:06,070
would what what advice do you have for

1600
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:09,700
them well it well for investigators as

1601
01:12:13,130 --> 01:12:11,530
far as any type of investigator and

1602
01:12:17,340 --> 01:12:13,140
whether you're talking ghost hunters or

1603
01:12:19,980 --> 01:12:17,350
any sorts of people who are UFO hunters

1604
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:19,990
or things like that I always I always

1605
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:22,930
tell them please just take a look at the

1606
01:12:28,410 --> 01:12:25,840
free sample on my book the parent

1607
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:28,420
investigators which lays down it's just

1608
01:12:34,980 --> 01:12:32,170
some basic rules and regs and procedures

1609
01:12:37,380 --> 01:12:34,990
for how investigations and evidence

1610
01:12:40,260 --> 01:12:37,390
should be conducted just simple things

1611
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:40,270
simple things and standards that need to

1612
01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:41,890
be followed so that people have some

1613
01:12:47,790 --> 01:12:46,000
idea of what real evidence means what

1614
01:12:50,540 --> 01:12:47,800
what you really do with witness

1615
01:12:53,089 --> 01:12:50,550
testimony informant information

1616
01:12:55,069 --> 01:12:53,099
what goes on what do we really need to

1617
01:12:58,280 --> 01:12:55,079
look at and what do we need to consider

1618
01:13:01,609 --> 01:12:58,290
because because television has ruined

1619
01:13:04,750 --> 01:13:01,619
this area for us it has really it really

1620
01:13:08,089 --> 01:13:04,760
has and so that's what I was but for

1621
01:13:11,149 --> 01:13:08,099
generally for the apology community I

1622
01:13:13,209 --> 01:13:11,159
always I always wherever I go I was tell

1623
01:13:15,049 --> 01:13:13,219
people just please protect yourselves

1624
01:13:19,700 --> 01:13:15,059
protect yourselves if you're an

1625
01:13:23,660 --> 01:13:19,710
experienced or be very protective of

1626
01:13:25,310 --> 01:13:23,670
your information of who you are because

1627
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:25,320
once you get loaded into one of these

1628
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:29,520
bit databases those databases can be

1629
01:13:35,390 --> 01:13:31,920
shared with you don't know with whom and

1630
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:35,400
you don't know where and so you have to

1631
01:13:41,209 --> 01:13:36,960
be very protective of your information

1632
01:13:42,979 --> 01:13:41,219
of who you are don't don't open up don't

1633
01:13:44,990 --> 01:13:42,989
open up your front door ever to someone

1634
01:13:46,399 --> 01:13:45,000
dressed all in black but saying that

1635
01:13:49,220 --> 01:13:46,409
from some federal agency that you've

1636
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:49,230
never heard of no one should be how to

1637
01:13:53,330 --> 01:13:51,210
get into your home or have contact with

1638
01:13:55,310 --> 01:13:53,340
you that you don't want so those are the

1639
01:13:56,899 --> 01:13:55,320
things I always advise people and tell

1640
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:56,909
them to just to take care of themselves

1641
01:14:01,339 --> 01:13:59,280
and protect themselves because you have

1642
01:14:03,979 --> 01:14:01,349
something people want especially if

1643
01:14:06,260 --> 01:14:03,989
you're an experienced or person who has

1644
01:14:08,959 --> 01:14:06,270
gone through this sort of thing and has

1645
01:14:11,510 --> 01:14:08,969
enhanced personal experiences in this

1646
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:11,520
area people want your information they

1647
01:14:16,370 --> 01:14:13,199
want to know who you are they want to

1648
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:16,380
identify you and they want to funnel

1649
01:14:22,010 --> 01:14:19,290
that information to places that may not

1650
01:14:23,330 --> 01:14:22,020
be the best places to funnel them so

1651
01:14:27,169 --> 01:14:23,340
those are those are the things I always

1652
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:27,179
say that's great advice I agree with you

1653
01:14:30,799 --> 01:14:29,489
you know view there and and if someone

1654
01:14:33,169 --> 01:14:30,809
does talk to you make sure you get

1655
01:14:35,979 --> 01:14:33,179
credentials and and find out exactly who

1656
01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:35,989
they are before you you confide in them

1657
01:14:40,669 --> 01:14:38,400
exactly there's a lot of people out

1658
01:14:44,209 --> 01:14:40,679
there they pretend that they're with the

1659
01:14:45,770 --> 01:14:44,219
FBI or the CIA and they're not and I

1660
01:14:48,500 --> 01:14:45,780
always you always have to get a badge

1661
01:14:50,569 --> 01:14:48,510
number my badge number was one zero five

1662
01:14:53,299 --> 01:14:50,579
eight five that will always be my badge

1663
01:14:54,859 --> 01:14:53,309
number and and you always get their name

1664
01:14:56,629 --> 01:14:54,869
and badge number and then you called the

1665
01:14:58,220 --> 01:14:56,639
yellow 202 area code where they're

1666
01:15:00,620 --> 01:14:58,230
supposed headquarters is to identify

1667
01:15:01,850 --> 01:15:00,630
them and say is this guy really with

1668
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:01,860
your agency

1669
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:04,320
it's very important to do that's just my

1670
01:15:14,660 --> 01:15:10,170
PSA what was your favorite case whoa my

1671
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:14,670
favorite case yes sorry Tim no no no

1672
01:15:20,570 --> 01:15:16,850
that's that's no that's a great question

1673
01:15:23,629 --> 01:15:20,580
my favorite case geez I I'm always asked

1674
01:15:27,350 --> 01:15:23,639
what is the scariest case or the worst

1675
01:15:30,830 --> 01:15:27,360
case or the most awful case but uh I

1676
01:15:33,109 --> 01:15:30,840
would say my favourite case that I have

1677
01:15:36,919 --> 01:15:33,119
actually that I have actually uh

1678
01:15:39,859 --> 01:15:36,929
come across that I have looked into and

1679
01:15:43,430 --> 01:15:39,869
that I have had experience with the UH

1680
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:43,440
with the people involved I would say is

1681
01:15:50,270 --> 01:15:47,760
the Travis Walton case in 1975 because

1682
01:15:52,399 --> 01:15:50,280
it keeps developing there are new

1683
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:52,409
developments in that case and a lot of

1684
01:15:58,180 --> 01:15:54,210
people may not know that Travis Walton

1685
01:16:03,439 --> 01:15:58,190
was the very young man in 1975 who was

1686
01:16:05,540 --> 01:16:03,449
abducted aboard a ship from the forests

1687
01:16:07,910 --> 01:16:05,550
of the sit graves National Park in

1688
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:07,920
Arizona where he was with a logging crew

1689
01:16:15,109 --> 01:16:12,000
and he was he was taken aboard a ship

1690
01:16:17,290 --> 01:16:15,119
for five days and during that time his

1691
01:16:20,450 --> 01:16:17,300
compatriots were accused of his murder

1692
01:16:23,419 --> 01:16:20,460
and people who fit in the town there

1693
01:16:25,820 --> 01:16:23,429
figured that he had murdered he had been

1694
01:16:28,370 --> 01:16:25,830
murdered by his friends who were the

1695
01:16:30,350 --> 01:16:28,380
rest of the logging crew and so the FBI

1696
01:16:31,700 --> 01:16:30,360
got involved and state troopers got

1697
01:16:34,729 --> 01:16:31,710
involved and they were getting ready to

1698
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:34,739
indict his friends for murder because

1699
01:16:38,450 --> 01:16:36,810
his body was missing and there was and

1700
01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:38,460
there was no explanation for his body

1701
01:16:44,570 --> 01:16:40,800
being missing however he was returned

1702
01:16:48,350 --> 01:16:44,580
five days later and he came back and he

1703
01:16:52,340 --> 01:16:48,360
was he was dehydrated and he was kind of

1704
01:16:53,959 --> 01:16:52,350
out of it but he was he was alive and so

1705
01:16:57,609 --> 01:16:53,969
the developments have happened since

1706
01:17:01,520 --> 01:16:57,619
then have been pretty amazing because

1707
01:17:04,129 --> 01:17:01,530
what occurred later in later and of

1708
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:04,139
course he has passed passed many

1709
01:17:08,810 --> 01:17:06,810
polygraphs and and he has maintained

1710
01:17:09,620 --> 01:17:08,820
absolute truth of everything that

1711
01:17:11,750 --> 01:17:09,630
happened to him

1712
01:17:14,930 --> 01:17:11,760
that he was taken aboard a ship he was

1713
01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:14,940
confronted by a trio of Grey's that were

1714
01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:16,000
trying to

1715
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:18,490
handle him and take him in a certain

1716
01:17:22,650 --> 01:17:20,560
direction he became violent with them he

1717
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:22,660
he pushed them a seat

1718
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:25,090
toss them around kind of those three

1719
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:28,810
portrays left he then went walked went

1720
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:30,810
on a tour self-guided tour of the ship

1721
01:17:34,980 --> 01:17:33,850
which turned out to be a huge Coliseum

1722
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:34,990
area

1723
01:17:39,540 --> 01:17:37,330
it's like fifth dimensional space

1724
01:17:42,030 --> 01:17:39,550
because the ship that he saw from the

1725
01:17:43,620 --> 01:17:42,040
outside appeared to be about 60 feet in

1726
01:17:48,210 --> 01:17:43,630
diameter yet when he was walking around

1727
01:17:51,090 --> 01:17:48,220
inside his huge Coliseum areas opened up

1728
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:51,100
and he was going from one open-air

1729
01:17:55,770 --> 01:17:53,410
chamber to another and it was enormous

1730
01:17:57,090 --> 01:17:55,780
space there that he was walking through

1731
01:18:01,080 --> 01:17:57,100
and eventually he was confronted by

1732
01:18:03,750 --> 01:18:01,090
another trio of Nordics that then took

1733
01:18:07,290 --> 01:18:03,760
him and returned him to the medical

1734
01:18:08,940 --> 01:18:07,300
facility room and they were able to put

1735
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:08,950
him down on that table and return him

1736
01:18:13,170 --> 01:18:11,170
back to where he was and the reason that

1737
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:13,180
case keeps developing is a couple of

1738
01:18:18,570 --> 01:18:16,690
reasons one of them is that another

1739
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:18,580
witness came up in that case it was a

1740
01:18:24,180 --> 01:18:21,850
military soldier who was in the forest

1741
01:18:26,730 --> 01:18:24,190
who was hunting something in the forest

1742
01:18:31,380 --> 01:18:26,740
that night and he emerged from the

1743
01:18:34,020 --> 01:18:31,390
forest and he actually saw on his right

1744
01:18:37,230 --> 01:18:34,030
he saw a pickup truck peeling out with a

1745
01:18:40,530 --> 01:18:37,240
bunch of guys screaming in it and then

1746
01:18:44,670 --> 01:18:40,540
he looked at his left and he saw a very

1747
01:18:47,850 --> 01:18:44,680
thin young white man being pulled up

1748
01:18:50,130 --> 01:18:47,860
into the bottom of a ship and he and

1749
01:18:51,810 --> 01:18:50,140
that's what he saw and he said the young

1750
01:18:52,710 --> 01:18:51,820
man disappeared into the bottom of that

1751
01:18:56,340 --> 01:18:52,720
ship

1752
01:18:59,730 --> 01:18:56,350
and he was floating on nothing his being

1753
01:19:01,020 --> 01:18:59,740
just just floated on up and then he went

1754
01:19:02,850 --> 01:19:01,030
to his base commander told him what he

1755
01:19:04,050 --> 01:19:02,860
saw and he said should I come forward

1756
01:19:05,310 --> 01:19:04,060
because they're getting ready to indict

1757
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:05,320
those guys from murder his base

1758
01:19:10,170 --> 01:19:08,170
commander told him no I wait and see if

1759
01:19:11,490 --> 01:19:10,180
they're indicted then if they are then

1760
01:19:16,260 --> 01:19:11,500
you can come forward and say what you

1761
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:16,270
saw oh yeah so so anyway that was one

1762
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:18,850
development that came forward and then

1763
01:19:25,290 --> 01:19:21,730
the other development is that Jarvis

1764
01:19:26,529 --> 01:19:25,300
Walton himself and also my investigative

1765
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:26,539
conclusion

1766
01:19:33,909 --> 01:19:29,449
- the same came to the same place which

1767
01:19:36,639 --> 01:19:33,919
is that his the reason his abduction was

1768
01:19:39,189 --> 01:19:36,649
so different from any other abduction

1769
01:19:41,049 --> 01:19:39,199
ever in history because because all the

1770
01:19:44,829 --> 01:19:41,059
abductions tend to follow the classic

1771
01:19:46,929 --> 01:19:44,839
Betty and Barney Hill paradigm but his

1772
01:19:49,119 --> 01:19:46,939
abduction is so different and now what

1773
01:19:50,529 --> 01:19:49,129
we've come to realize is and the

1774
01:19:53,799 --> 01:19:50,539
investigative conclusion I came to is

1775
01:19:57,270 --> 01:19:53,809
that it wasn't an abduction at all what

1776
01:20:01,119 --> 01:19:57,280
happened to him was a rescue operation

1777
01:20:03,579 --> 01:20:01,129
because his this ship was getting ready

1778
01:20:06,129 --> 01:20:03,589
to take off and he foolishly ran

1779
01:20:09,189 --> 01:20:06,139
underneath it and what happened was the

1780
01:20:12,250 --> 01:20:09,199
ship was did take off but he gave off a

1781
01:20:14,349 --> 01:20:12,260
bolt of energy for some reason that went

1782
01:20:14,829 --> 01:20:14,359
through his body and pretty much killed

1783
01:20:20,469 --> 01:20:14,839
him

1784
01:20:22,539 --> 01:20:20,479
as a ship took off somehow they became

1785
01:20:25,809 --> 01:20:22,549
aware they had killed someone on the

1786
01:20:29,770 --> 01:20:25,819
ground accidentally they returned they

1787
01:20:32,229 --> 01:20:29,780
came back and picked him up for only for

1788
01:20:34,419 --> 01:20:32,239
the purposes of reviving him and

1789
01:20:36,459 --> 01:20:34,429
bringing him back to life and bringing

1790
01:20:40,449 --> 01:20:36,469
him back to health because for whatever

1791
01:20:42,609 --> 01:20:40,459
reason they Wow want to do that and so

1792
01:20:44,709 --> 01:20:42,619
today Travis Walton says they basically

1793
01:20:46,719 --> 01:20:44,719
saved his life it was a rescue operation

1794
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:46,729
and that's why they were so completely

1795
01:20:52,059 --> 01:20:49,489
unprepared to do command and control on

1796
01:20:54,339 --> 01:20:52,069
him when he was on the ship that he I

1797
01:20:56,739 --> 01:20:54,349
reacted violently and the three grades

1798
01:20:58,659 --> 01:20:56,749
went running and that's the only time

1799
01:21:00,159 --> 01:20:58,669
that's ever happened in an abduction and

1800
01:21:02,259 --> 01:21:00,169
it's because it wasn't an abduction at

1801
01:21:03,939 --> 01:21:02,269
all it was a rescue operation where they

1802
01:21:06,339 --> 01:21:03,949
were trying to repair the harm that they

1803
01:21:07,869 --> 01:21:06,349
did by mistake and they were trying to

1804
01:21:10,119 --> 01:21:07,879
just bring him back to life which they

1805
01:21:12,699 --> 01:21:10,129
did and then they just returned him back

1806
01:21:15,219 --> 01:21:12,709
to where they got him from that's why

1807
01:21:17,289 --> 01:21:15,229
that's that's one of my that's like my

1808
01:21:21,579 --> 01:21:17,299
favorite case because it has it turns

1809
01:21:22,989 --> 01:21:21,589
out it has such a happy ending even

1810
01:21:25,929 --> 01:21:22,999
though it took us a long time to realize

1811
01:21:28,359 --> 01:21:25,939
what actually happened in that case and

1812
01:21:31,419 --> 01:21:28,369
that they basically just saved his life

1813
01:21:33,909 --> 01:21:31,429
and even better that's awesome

1814
01:21:37,719 --> 01:21:33,919
that's an amazing I like that too that

1815
01:21:39,850 --> 01:21:37,729
it's it's a feel-good sort of ending to

1816
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:39,860
this the story that he has

1817
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:41,570
where the movie the movie was quite

1818
01:21:46,959 --> 01:21:43,610
frightening I remember fire in the sky

1819
01:21:49,899 --> 01:21:46,969
but this is I'm I'm I'm feeling a little

1820
01:21:51,580 --> 01:21:49,909
more uplifted hearing it this way and it

1821
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:51,590
also makes me think it's similar to

1822
01:21:55,540 --> 01:21:53,210
those sort of maybe he had a partial

1823
01:21:58,330 --> 01:21:55,550
near-death experience because some of

1824
01:22:00,790 --> 01:21:58,340
the abductions do sound a lot like the

1825
01:22:03,340 --> 01:22:00,800
near-death experiences with the lights

1826
01:22:06,090 --> 01:22:03,350
and going into a sort of a light and a

1827
01:22:10,300 --> 01:22:06,100
tunnel and then there's beings there

1828
01:22:12,189 --> 01:22:10,310
yeah so so maybe there's some tie-in

1829
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:12,199
there too what do you think of the

1830
01:22:17,970 --> 01:22:14,960
concept for John I made you know you've

1831
01:22:20,830 --> 01:22:17,980
been talking about how more than likely

1832
01:22:23,620 --> 01:22:20,840
UFOs and other types of experiences like

1833
01:22:27,850 --> 01:22:23,630
that are probably more rather than you

1834
01:22:30,010 --> 01:22:27,860
know extraterrestrials or energy beans

1835
01:22:32,649 --> 01:22:30,020
for one of a better word you know from

1836
01:22:36,669 --> 01:22:32,659
from from other dimensions that the

1837
01:22:39,930 --> 01:22:36,679
original three creatures that Travis ran

1838
01:22:42,820 --> 01:22:39,940
across and you fought so vigorously

1839
01:22:45,100 --> 01:22:42,830
against and then later he ran across

1840
01:22:46,780 --> 01:22:45,110
three more you know Nordic

1841
01:22:47,919 --> 01:22:46,790
humanoid-looking that you know maybe he

1842
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:47,929
was dealing with the same three

1843
01:22:51,490 --> 01:22:49,489
creatures they just were able to change

1844
01:22:52,990 --> 01:22:51,500
their shape yeah I believe that's

1845
01:22:55,870 --> 01:22:53,000
exactly what happened I think they just

1846
01:22:57,910 --> 01:22:55,880
the three greys what he perceived us

1847
01:23:00,040 --> 01:22:57,920
three greys simply went and changed

1848
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:00,050
clothing that was more appropriate for

1849
01:23:05,709 --> 01:23:02,810
the occasion because since he was going

1850
01:23:09,669 --> 01:23:05,719
to fight them they needed they needed to

1851
01:23:11,890 --> 01:23:09,679
have a guys that was bigger stronger and

1852
01:23:14,020 --> 01:23:11,900
able to deal with him which is exactly

1853
01:23:15,580 --> 01:23:14,030
what the three Nordics did they they

1854
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:15,590
even performed movements that were very

1855
01:23:20,020 --> 01:23:17,449
exact ly the same as the three grades

1856
01:23:22,270 --> 01:23:20,030
we're trying to do and and they

1857
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:22,280
exhibited other patterns that were very

1858
01:23:27,310 --> 01:23:25,610
similar to the three grays so yeah I

1859
01:23:31,359 --> 01:23:27,320
believe that's what it is I believe that

1860
01:23:32,979 --> 01:23:31,369
these alien visitors are extra

1861
01:23:35,890 --> 01:23:32,989
dimensional and I believe that they may

1862
01:23:37,629 --> 01:23:35,900
be able they probably change species the

1863
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:37,639
same way that we would just change

1864
01:23:42,070 --> 01:23:39,770
clothing that's what one of the things

1865
01:23:44,500 --> 01:23:42,080
they do and that's very difficult for

1866
01:23:47,620 --> 01:23:44,510
people to get their heads around because

1867
01:23:48,879 --> 01:23:47,630
we've always thought of this this area a

1868
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:48,889
certain way

1869
01:23:52,540 --> 01:23:51,170
and we never thought of outside that box

1870
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:52,550
oh yeah

1871
01:23:57,250 --> 01:23:55,610
so that's why I always say I present the

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01:23:59,109 --> 01:23:57,260
unthinkable in ethology because this is

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01:24:02,649 --> 01:23:59,119
just because these are ways in which we

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01:24:05,859 --> 01:24:02,659
haven't thought yet that's all very

1875
01:24:08,379 --> 01:24:05,869
interesting yeah yeah very much and I

1876
01:24:10,359 --> 01:24:08,389
was just gonna say you know it to me

1877
01:24:14,620 --> 01:24:10,369
that idea makes a lot of sense

1878
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:14,630
considering how knowledgeable these

1879
01:24:19,930 --> 01:24:18,170
these things are particularly with the

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01:24:21,010 --> 01:24:19,940
individual witnesses because I mean you

1881
01:24:23,620 --> 01:24:21,020
know you you know there are a lot of

1882
01:24:25,660 --> 01:24:23,630
cases where the you know the the things

1883
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:25,670
that come out of the Atlantic craft you

1884
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:27,770
know we'll talk to the witness and even

1885
01:24:30,939 --> 01:24:29,330
make predictions about what's going to

1886
01:24:33,180 --> 01:24:30,949
happen to them you know in the future

1887
01:24:35,290 --> 01:24:33,190
which you wouldn't think that you know a

1888
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:35,300
scientist from another planet would be

1889
01:24:41,919 --> 01:24:38,530
able to to if they were visiting earth

1890
01:24:44,919 --> 01:24:41,929
exactly you know it's a these creatures

1891
01:24:46,899 --> 01:24:44,929
are not restricted by our time and space

1892
01:24:50,109 --> 01:24:46,909
and there's a matter of fact that's one

1893
01:24:52,540 --> 01:24:50,119
of the great discoveries of abductions

1894
01:24:57,010 --> 01:24:52,550
is that it appears they are able to

1895
01:25:01,030 --> 01:24:57,020
manipulate time very easily stop it

1896
01:25:03,700 --> 01:25:01,040
climb out of it climb back into it as it

1897
01:25:05,649 --> 01:25:03,710
that's convenience dictates so yeah

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01:25:07,990 --> 01:25:05,659
they're these are the ways in which

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01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:08,000
these creatures function the ways that

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01:25:14,740 --> 01:25:12,170
they move around are not ways which

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01:25:17,140 --> 01:25:14,750
humans do because they're not they're

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01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:17,150
not like humans at all no matter what

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01:25:22,180 --> 01:25:19,610
Roswell crash tells us happened they are

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01:25:25,379 --> 01:25:22,190
not like humans they are there are many

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01:25:28,330 --> 01:25:25,389
degrees many orders of degrees above

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01:25:30,850 --> 01:25:28,340
human and so that's why we that's how we

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01:25:33,459 --> 01:25:30,860
need to think of this more like more

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01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:33,469
like light creatures like you said

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01:25:39,189 --> 01:25:36,650
before and maybe that can change sort of

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01:25:42,189 --> 01:25:39,199
their appearance depending upon culture

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01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:42,199
too and history because you know Jacques

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01:25:46,959 --> 01:25:44,170
Vallee had done his work on the

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01:25:50,140 --> 01:25:46,969
passports Magana where he showed that a

1914
01:25:52,660 --> 01:25:50,150
lot of them current cases are similar to

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01:25:56,649 --> 01:25:52,670
the fairies of you know centuries ago

1916
01:25:58,839 --> 01:25:56,659
and and different cultures they they

1917
01:26:01,120 --> 01:25:58,849
experience them in different ways so you

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01:26:02,500 --> 01:26:01,130
have many humanoids many many different

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01:26:04,270 --> 01:26:02,510
types yeah

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01:26:06,910 --> 01:26:04,280
for they said that he would be terribly

1921
01:26:08,950 --> 01:26:06,920
disappointed if alien visitors were

1922
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:08,960
nothing more than a physical phenomena

1923
01:26:13,390 --> 01:26:11,330
traveling through space because he

1924
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:13,400
believes that they are much much more

1925
01:26:18,910 --> 01:26:16,400
than that and so that's how we and he

1926
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:18,920
also said this for the alien visitor

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01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:20,930
phenomena appears to have much more in

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01:26:27,150 --> 01:26:24,770
common with spirit istic phenomena than

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01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:27,160
anything else that we have seen and

1930
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:29,810
that's how it looks to me too that's why

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01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:32,330
I wrote the extra dimensionals to really

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01:26:38,220 --> 01:26:35,210
explain how that works and what their

1933
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:38,230
agendas are which is also very important

1934
01:26:42,610 --> 01:26:40,850
well hopefully more people get out there

1935
01:26:45,700 --> 01:26:42,620
and they'll be reading your book and

1936
01:26:47,860 --> 01:26:45,710
expand their horizons a bit because I

1937
01:26:49,810 --> 01:26:47,870
I'm one of those people that also think

1938
01:26:52,210 --> 01:26:49,820
that you know the ETH I mean maybe it's

1939
01:26:53,950 --> 01:26:52,220
true I don't know I'm not pretending I

1940
01:26:57,100 --> 01:26:53,960
have any answers really for me

1941
01:26:59,170 --> 01:26:57,110
personally but I really think that

1942
01:27:01,000 --> 01:26:59,180
people need to expand their horizons

1943
01:27:05,950 --> 01:27:01,010
because ETH really hasn't gotten us

1944
01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:05,960
anywhere in 70 years so I don't think

1945
01:27:11,530 --> 01:27:08,960
that looking at it as ultra dimensionals

1946
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:11,540
or interdimensional this is a different

1947
01:27:16,270 --> 01:27:13,730
way to look at them and could give us

1948
01:27:20,050 --> 01:27:16,280
some some better insights certainly

1949
01:27:23,470 --> 01:27:20,060
absolutely because this is an extra

1950
01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:23,480
dimensional phenomena but also you know

1951
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:25,760
government doesn't have the answer

1952
01:27:29,410 --> 01:27:27,170
government doesn't have it they have a

1953
01:27:31,780 --> 01:27:29,420
lot of data there's all kinds of data

1954
01:27:33,670 --> 01:27:31,790
like what they released on December 16th

1955
01:27:36,490 --> 01:27:33,680
through the Pentagon they released that

1956
01:27:39,850 --> 01:27:36,500
that video they gave us a confirmation

1957
01:27:43,810 --> 01:27:39,860
that that video was an actual authentic

1958
01:27:46,750 --> 01:27:43,820
UFO and extraterrestrial UFO using

1959
01:27:48,580 --> 01:27:46,760
extraterrestrial technology and so they

1960
01:27:50,530 --> 01:27:48,590
can give us confirmations like that but

1961
01:27:53,490 --> 01:27:50,540
they can't give us disclosure because

1962
01:27:57,729 --> 01:27:53,500
they don't have it and the truth is that

1963
01:27:59,710 --> 01:27:57,739
we need to continue disclosure by any

1964
01:28:01,870 --> 01:27:59,720
means necessary as because we're

1965
01:28:03,670 --> 01:28:01,880
approaching the time when it's becomes

1966
01:28:05,710 --> 01:28:03,680
so important that we continue to

1967
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:05,720
disclosure to each other as much as

1968
01:28:10,030 --> 01:28:07,610
possible and we need to bring these

1969
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:10,040
cases out to each other and show them

1970
01:28:14,500 --> 01:28:13,370
and share them and see what really is

1971
01:28:17,500 --> 01:28:14,510
going on out there

1972
01:28:20,950 --> 01:28:17,510
because if we depend on these Pentagon

1973
01:28:23,770 --> 01:28:20,960
videos we can't we can't do it we can't

1974
01:28:25,330 --> 01:28:23,780
depend on just them and we can take the

1975
01:28:27,940 --> 01:28:25,340
advantage of what they show that's good

1976
01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:27,950
that's a good thing but we can't just

1977
01:28:34,060 --> 01:28:31,760
depend on government to show us what the

1978
01:28:36,820 --> 01:28:34,070
story is because yeah and they actually

1979
01:28:40,450 --> 01:28:36,830
released that many many years ago that

1980
01:28:42,670 --> 01:28:40,460
was on the above top secret website so

1981
01:28:45,490 --> 01:28:42,680
it was out there already it's just seems

1982
01:28:47,650 --> 01:28:45,500
that it's been latched upon now but I

1983
01:28:50,350 --> 01:28:47,660
mean like you I agree with you they've

1984
01:28:52,630 --> 01:28:50,360
been disclosing since 1969 and in

1985
01:28:55,570 --> 01:28:52,640
Project Blue Book and and I don't think

1986
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:55,580
and as you said the FBI website that

1987
01:28:58,630 --> 01:28:57,530
anyone can go there and read these cases

1988
01:29:00,880 --> 01:28:58,640
and yeah

1989
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:00,890
you know and some people that this some

1990
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:02,930
people high up in the military have come

1991
01:29:07,990 --> 01:29:05,210
out and said yes they believe and and

1992
01:29:10,030 --> 01:29:08,000
others are indifferent or whatever and I

1993
01:29:12,940 --> 01:29:10,040
think you're right I think it's about us

1994
01:29:16,030 --> 01:29:12,950
us experiencers to come together and

1995
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:16,040
talk and be good with each other and we

1996
01:29:31,540 --> 01:29:20,930
disclose we absolutely you are a goddess

1997
01:29:36,729 --> 01:29:31,550
that's true but John do you do you think

1998
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:36,739
that this phenomena is influenced by our

1999
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:39,530
our culture or collective consciousness

2000
01:29:44,530 --> 01:29:41,690
or whatever because I mean you know it

2001
01:29:46,690 --> 01:29:44,540
seems like as Susan pointed out that you

2002
01:29:48,820 --> 01:29:46,700
know 500 years ago people believed in

2003
01:29:51,220 --> 01:29:48,830
fairies and aliens and boob that's where

2004
01:29:52,630 --> 01:29:51,230
that's what they saw you know now that's

2005
01:29:54,430 --> 01:29:52,640
that's the old-fashioned we don't

2006
01:29:57,100 --> 01:29:54,440
believe in that but we believe in you

2007
01:29:59,530 --> 01:29:57,110
know little gray guys from from from

2008
01:30:01,600 --> 01:29:59,540
outer space five hundred years in the

2009
01:30:05,130 --> 01:30:01,610
future who knows what we'll believe in

2010
01:30:08,440 --> 01:30:05,140
will the phenomena take on a new role I

2011
01:30:11,620 --> 01:30:08,450
think it will because it's apparent to

2012
01:30:15,490 --> 01:30:11,630
me that we are being prepared for

2013
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:15,500
something there are people who are high

2014
01:30:21,130 --> 01:30:18,530
up in the and the government I would say

2015
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:21,140
even in I would say the elite powers in

2016
01:30:27,430 --> 01:30:24,410
control which is what I refer to many

2017
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:27,440
some people refer to as a deep state the

2018
01:30:31,900 --> 01:30:28,370
Illuminati

2019
01:30:34,290 --> 01:30:31,910
about the people who are these these

2020
01:30:37,150 --> 01:30:34,300
bloodlines that feel they control

2021
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:37,160
control the world and whoever actually

2022
01:30:41,950 --> 01:30:39,050
do give their marching orders to the

2023
01:30:45,070 --> 01:30:41,960
nations all the time and they are the

2024
01:30:47,710 --> 01:30:45,080
ones who go out there and order the New

2025
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:47,720
York Times to completely change their

2026
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:51,770
attitude about UFOs or order CNN to go

2027
01:30:56,470 --> 01:30:54,530
and change their attitude about UFOs 180

2028
01:30:59,410 --> 01:30:56,480
degrees from how they used to be and

2029
01:31:01,300 --> 01:30:59,420
it's very funny to watch these CNN

2030
01:31:04,570 --> 01:31:01,310
reporters with these confused looks on

2031
01:31:07,060 --> 01:31:04,580
their faces and these New York Times

2032
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:07,070
reporters looking very annoyed having to

2033
01:31:11,860 --> 01:31:09,530
appear on these shows saying that UFOs

2034
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:11,870
are real for the first time and they're

2035
01:31:16,300 --> 01:31:14,690
just wondering what is going on and it's

2036
01:31:18,700 --> 01:31:16,310
because the orders came the orders have

2037
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:18,710
changed the orders from the top and I'm

2038
01:31:22,570 --> 01:31:20,210
talking about the presidents or prime

2039
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:22,580
ministers the orders from the top have

2040
01:31:28,930 --> 01:31:25,610
changed and we are being prepared for

2041
01:31:30,970 --> 01:31:28,940
something and whatever it is we need to

2042
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:30,980
be able to develop our own discernment

2043
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:33,770
we need to develop our our own abilities

2044
01:31:40,870 --> 01:31:37,010
to examine these these phenomena not by

2045
01:31:43,900 --> 01:31:40,880
seeing Pentagon videos and but by

2046
01:31:45,910 --> 01:31:43,910
talking to each other and by talking to

2047
01:31:48,700 --> 01:31:45,920
each other about our experiences and

2048
01:31:50,980 --> 01:31:48,710
seeing what's really happening with this

2049
01:31:53,980 --> 01:31:50,990
with this X with these experiences and

2050
01:31:56,230 --> 01:31:53,990
we need to do that right now because the

2051
01:31:57,670 --> 01:31:56,240
preparation is happening and they are

2052
01:32:00,790 --> 01:31:57,680
gonna they are going to spring something

2053
01:32:03,490 --> 01:32:00,800
on us and it's going to be very big and

2054
01:32:07,420 --> 01:32:03,500
once it happens it's too late to prepare

2055
01:32:09,250 --> 01:32:07,430
so we need to prepare right now all

2056
01:32:12,070 --> 01:32:09,260
right well we've got about three minutes

2057
01:32:13,810 --> 01:32:12,080
left in the program here John so I want

2058
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:13,820
to give you a chance to let our audience

2059
01:32:18,850 --> 01:32:16,370
know where they can find out more about

2060
01:32:21,430 --> 01:32:18,860
you the titles of you books websites

2061
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:21,440
upcoming experiences things like that oh

2062
01:32:29,950 --> 01:32:25,370
well just go to my facebook it's John

2063
01:32:32,710 --> 01:32:29,960
John D'Souza on Facebook and also check

2064
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:32,720
out my Twitter my Twitter and also I

2065
01:32:37,810 --> 01:32:34,850
will be appearing at contact in the

2066
01:32:39,700 --> 01:32:37,820
desert of course with Jimmy Church and

2067
01:32:44,209 --> 01:32:39,710
many others

2068
01:32:49,490 --> 01:32:44,219
June 1st 1/4 in Indian Wells California

2069
01:32:52,729 --> 01:32:49,500
and just also in March I will be

2070
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:52,739
appearing at crash landed convention

2071
01:32:58,700 --> 01:32:55,290
with the great actor John Noble

2072
01:33:03,110 --> 01:32:58,710
John Noble from fringe and any others

2073
01:33:04,910 --> 01:33:03,120
and let me see also the I'll be

2074
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:04,920
appearing at the who follow G word

2075
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:09,810
Congress in Barcelona Spain fun on the

2076
01:33:16,669 --> 01:33:13,410
22nd of June for that weekend that

2077
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:16,679
should be something also April in April

2078
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:19,610
I will be appearing at George Noory live

2079
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:23,010
Jordan Scottsdale Arizona that will be

2080
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:27,570
April 21st at the Virginia Piper Theatre

2081
01:33:32,540 --> 01:33:30,090
in Scottsdale Arizona along with Travis

2082
01:33:35,150 --> 01:33:32,550
Walton Rose won't be there as well

2083
01:33:38,810 --> 01:33:35,160
that should be really quite an event and

2084
01:33:40,490 --> 01:33:38,820
that's it I always ask people to just

2085
01:33:42,860 --> 01:33:40,500
check out just check out the free

2086
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:42,870
samples on my books on Amazon my books

2087
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:45,449
the extra dimensionals the power

2088
01:33:50,630 --> 01:33:47,730
investigators and the clear errors as

2089
01:33:54,350 --> 01:33:50,640
well just check them out and see if

2090
01:33:55,700 --> 01:33:54,360
those resonate with you because there's

2091
01:33:58,820 --> 01:33:55,710
some very important things that are

2092
01:34:01,450 --> 01:33:58,830
coming up very shortly and we need to

2093
01:34:04,580 --> 01:34:01,460
prepare each other for these things

2094
01:34:07,459 --> 01:34:04,590
alright and Susan a work in there our

2095
01:34:11,689 --> 01:34:07,469
audience find out more about you you can

2096
01:34:15,350 --> 01:34:11,699
visit my website at Susan st. Claire st

2097
01:34:18,500 --> 01:34:15,360
clair calm and you can also check me out

2098
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:18,510
on facebook as well and i love to hear

2099
01:34:25,790 --> 01:34:21,890
people's stories i'm very interested in

2100
01:34:28,010 --> 01:34:25,800
in especially hi strange cases that

2101
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:28,020
involve more than one witness those are

2102
01:34:32,959 --> 01:34:30,410
what i'm focusing on at the moment

2103
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:32,969
particularly because i have a pair of

2104
01:34:40,010 --> 01:34:35,250
psychology background so I'm interested

2105
01:34:42,260 --> 01:34:40,020
in cases that involve ESP telekinesis

2106
01:34:44,750 --> 01:34:42,270
things of that nature psychokinesis

2107
01:34:47,870 --> 01:34:44,760
anything that synchronicity especially

2108
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:47,880
and UFOs alright well thank you very

2109
01:34:55,940 --> 01:34:49,970
much John Susan and

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01:35:02,760 --> 01:34:58,770
you've been listening to exploring the

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01:35:06,030 --> 01:35:02,770
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01:35:08,580 --> 01:35:06,040
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01:35:15,110 --> 01:35:11,470
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01:35:17,810 --> 01:35:15,120
unexplained with you as their combines

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2120
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